What Human Rights?

[The Grand Nudger]

No, it isn't, but the manner in which you're discussing it -is- strawmanning.  I'm not sure I'm going to get much traction here though, Mr. Non-Sequitur.  The notion that the idea of "eternal sin" has something to do with why we ought to help others exercise their human rights...the holiness of human life........what, the fuck...?

Yes, yes, I advocate for human rights because human life is holy and I feel a sin debt........why even pretend anymore, you caught me.....

Perhaps you should look into some non-retarded opinions on human rights, if that's your summary? 

I was simply exposing a less popular opinion that isn't super relevant for the topic - It is not meant to serve as my main argument against the existence of HR - I actually discussed this in class and my professor thought that because the UN is mostly ran and managed by western governments, and those governments are either mostly Christian or influenced by Christianity - It is obvious that this religion is gonna have an influence on how we view HR. IMO, it reminds a lot of the whole eternal sin issue - If you look at European constitutions (that are far bigger and detailed than the American one) you'll see chapters and articles just dedicated to HR and how to execute those rights successfully, there's rights for everyone and everything, some of them impossible to achieve in practice - For example, the idea of economic equality is a ridiculous one and it doesn't even have a proper definition - Does it mean that unfair inequality should be corrected? Or everytime there's some inequality should people share wealth? Where does the idea of redistributing wealth even come from? It isn't from socialism certainly as Europe is capitalist and supports the free market (in fact, the treaty of the EU considers the market a fundamental requirement to enter the club). Do you honestly believe that the fact Christianity is the most influential religion in States that dominate the EU council and institutions is irrelevant to shape and define HR? Do you really think it doesn't impact anything? Because - And I apologize if this opinion sounds "harsh" - I think it's much easier to justify going against the current status of HR without religion, specially when it comes to implementing systems that are fundamentally incompatible with strong religious doctrine (like communism, some variants of Marxism and even fascism)

I think that christianity is irrelevant regarding a well thought out justification for HR, yes.  If we, for example, refer to some notion of eternal sin, or sin debt, as to why we have to help others achieve these rights -this is where I jumped in- then the ground is already too shaky for me to sign on-board, despite being perfectly content to advocate for HR under a vast multitude of other justifications.  I'm sure it does impact things, but it shouldn't, because clearly,  if sin debt is a justification for HR....it shittifies them...and it isn't required.