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Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter?
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RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter?
(July 19, 2015 at 11:56 am)Rhythm Wrote: If that's the truth, that a scapegoating god will punish me if I don't accept it's offering?  Yes, Randy, it will.  Have I been unclear?  If your goal is to bring people to christ, confronted with a person like myself who has a non-negotiable position on vicarious redemption...then yes, you should shut your mouth about vicarious redemption...or simply accept that your actions are driving them further and further from where you think they should be.  I know that the concept of responsibility and ownership is difficult for you, just look at how you hope to shirk your own justly deserved fate...but for some of us, it's important to own up to what one has wrought, be that in this life or the next.  Again, either you have a response or you don't...but there's very little sense in quoting me if you don't -actually- intend to respond to me.

I'll repeat in case you missed it....

If this crucifixion business were true, if the things that -you- are claiming are true, I couldn't..... in good conscience..... be a christian.

Wheres your brilliant argument?  I checked the list in your other thread.....seems to be missing there as well.

Right. Because you refuse to accept God's will. God sends His own son to die on a cross so that you might not perish but have eternal life.

But you don't like that idea. You prefer your own.

Your argument runs sort of like this:

1. If I were God, I would have done things very differently.
2. If God exists, He must agree with me.
3. Things aren't the way I would have done them.
4. Therefore, God does not exist.

But in reality, it runs like this:

1. If Rhythm were God, he would have done things differently.
2. Things aren't different.
3. Therefore, Rhythm isn't God.

Tongue
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Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by luka - July 19, 2015 at 1:37 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Minimalist - July 19, 2015 at 1:59 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by robvalue - July 19, 2015 at 2:40 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Athene - July 19, 2015 at 2:54 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Longhorn - July 19, 2015 at 3:07 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 10:07 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Longhorn - July 19, 2015 at 10:11 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 10:16 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Longhorn - July 19, 2015 at 10:17 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 10:52 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Longhorn - July 19, 2015 at 10:56 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 11:05 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Longhorn - July 19, 2015 at 11:54 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 12:17 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Longhorn - July 19, 2015 at 12:22 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Nope - July 19, 2015 at 10:18 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 10:53 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Nope - July 19, 2015 at 11:49 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by polar bear - July 19, 2015 at 10:18 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 10:54 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Minimalist - July 19, 2015 at 10:59 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 11:07 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Nope - July 19, 2015 at 11:59 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Nope - July 19, 2015 at 9:51 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 10:09 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Longhorn - July 19, 2015 at 10:14 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by polar bear - July 19, 2015 at 10:15 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Nope - July 19, 2015 at 10:16 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 10:49 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Nope - July 19, 2015 at 11:43 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Bob Kelso - July 21, 2015 at 1:35 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by vorlon13 - July 19, 2015 at 9:54 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 10:04 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Nope - July 19, 2015 at 10:11 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 10:34 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Nope - July 19, 2015 at 12:06 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 12:27 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Nope - July 19, 2015 at 12:30 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 12:32 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Nope - July 19, 2015 at 12:06 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by robvalue - July 19, 2015 at 10:06 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Longhorn - July 19, 2015 at 10:16 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 10:36 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by robvalue - July 19, 2015 at 10:14 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by robvalue - July 19, 2015 at 10:22 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Whateverist - July 19, 2015 at 10:29 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by robvalue - July 19, 2015 at 10:31 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 10:57 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Chad32 - July 19, 2015 at 10:44 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Minimalist - July 19, 2015 at 10:45 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 11:00 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Minimalist - July 19, 2015 at 10:54 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Chad32 - July 19, 2015 at 10:54 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 11:03 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Chad32 - July 19, 2015 at 12:04 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 11:14 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 11:53 am
Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by KUSA - July 19, 2015 at 11:41 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 12:02 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Nope - July 19, 2015 at 12:13 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 12:30 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 12:24 pm
Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by KUSA - July 19, 2015 at 2:47 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Godschild - July 20, 2015 at 10:57 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Spooky - July 20, 2015 at 10:59 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by The Valkyrie - July 20, 2015 at 11:10 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Spooky - July 20, 2015 at 10:58 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Godschild - July 20, 2015 at 10:55 pm
Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by KUSA - July 20, 2015 at 11:17 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Spooky - July 20, 2015 at 11:22 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by The Valkyrie - July 20, 2015 at 11:27 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Godschild - July 21, 2015 at 12:02 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Foxaèr - July 21, 2015 at 12:21 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Spooky - July 21, 2015 at 12:43 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Cato - July 21, 2015 at 2:46 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Pyrrho - July 21, 2015 at 10:56 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Spooky - July 21, 2015 at 12:11 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Godschild - July 21, 2015 at 12:15 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Minimalist - July 21, 2015 at 12:30 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by robvalue - July 21, 2015 at 2:25 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by robvalue - July 21, 2015 at 2:37 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by robvalue - July 21, 2015 at 11:05 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Minimalist - July 21, 2015 at 12:54 pm
Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by KUSA - July 21, 2015 at 12:33 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Minimalist - July 21, 2015 at 3:50 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Pyrrho - July 21, 2015 at 4:18 pm

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