RE: Nationalism and secularism
April 18, 2012 at 1:16 pm
(This post was last modified: April 18, 2012 at 1:47 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
It would take me a lifetime to address all of the garbage you managed to cram into such a small post. This is understandable, because it's taken you a lifetime to build such a massive pile of trash. Let's try some cliffnotes-
Your turkish "ethnic identity" is a snapshot in time. A social construct. None of you are "from" turkey. Not a single one.
Where does what lead to me? My love of bluegrass? Courtesy of German and Irish immigrants. Okra, black eyed peas, fried chicken, hotsauce and crawdads? Take a wild guess. Like I said, melting pot. It all "leads to me".
You may not think that american culture is a combination of all the cultures that have gone into it, but that's likely due to your being completely ignorant of american culture and it's origins, instead deriving your ideas of our culture from movies....
The cultural institution of slavery in contradiction to our founding documents expressing equality extending all the way into Jim Crow, would be one example of where an "American thing" doesn't instill me with pride. "Manifest Destiny" and the trail of tears being another "american thing" that doesn't instill me with pride. The history of coal in Appalachia, "The War on Drugs, the War on Terror". It's not like we have any shortage of bullshit this side of the pond. Your culture is grand in the same way that our culture is grand, which is to say, sometimes not very grand at all. McDonald's barely registers on my list of american things to be proud or ashamed of, it's a fucking restaurant chain.... The difference here, is that I am capable of acknowledging that not everything we have done or do is something to be proud of, and especially not by virtue of some fairy tale about ethnicity and "noble blood". I can still be proud of those parts of our history that I feel were good examples of what it means to be american without pretending that the nasty shit didn't happen, or that simply because we have "american blood" we were somehow justified in doing these things.
It may not be true of turkish culture, but it is true of you, individually, and that's all I was commenting upon, wasn't it?
Yes, americans don't have any history or blood "creating their past"..lol, idiotic. Doner are delicious btw, a worthy contribution. I suppose you weren't aware that we have a political party of "tradition and family values", no worries, I guess you don't see that too often in movies. I don't have an HD TV, I don't have a Wii, I am not rich or famous, and I don';t desire any of these things. I do own a home, I do own property, are you actually criticizing this, because you seem to be all about it as long as the blood pumping through someones veins is turkish..... Seems to me that we're getting better about social welfare, not worse. I'm not sure why you think that the reasons my ancestors came here is lost on me, it's the entirety of what makes me "me". Family is as important to me and mine as it is to you and yours. The only reason you assume otherwise is that you are an ethnocentric bigot that believes that I am somehow less this-or-that than yourself by virtue of ancestry. Go fuck yourself.
I don't "despise the pure ones", I doubt that you are a "pure one", but this isn't my beef with you. My beef is that you're an ethnocentric bigot regardless of what story may lie in your blood.
What point? I wasn't aware that you actually had one.
Where are you sourcing your info on this (rhetorical, your own ass)?
Why would I want those lands, where have I made any claim to them? WTF are you talking about?
Your turkish "ethnic identity" is a snapshot in time. A social construct. None of you are "from" turkey. Not a single one.
Where does what lead to me? My love of bluegrass? Courtesy of German and Irish immigrants. Okra, black eyed peas, fried chicken, hotsauce and crawdads? Take a wild guess. Like I said, melting pot. It all "leads to me".
You may not think that american culture is a combination of all the cultures that have gone into it, but that's likely due to your being completely ignorant of american culture and it's origins, instead deriving your ideas of our culture from movies....
The cultural institution of slavery in contradiction to our founding documents expressing equality extending all the way into Jim Crow, would be one example of where an "American thing" doesn't instill me with pride. "Manifest Destiny" and the trail of tears being another "american thing" that doesn't instill me with pride. The history of coal in Appalachia, "The War on Drugs, the War on Terror". It's not like we have any shortage of bullshit this side of the pond. Your culture is grand in the same way that our culture is grand, which is to say, sometimes not very grand at all. McDonald's barely registers on my list of american things to be proud or ashamed of, it's a fucking restaurant chain.... The difference here, is that I am capable of acknowledging that not everything we have done or do is something to be proud of, and especially not by virtue of some fairy tale about ethnicity and "noble blood". I can still be proud of those parts of our history that I feel were good examples of what it means to be american without pretending that the nasty shit didn't happen, or that simply because we have "american blood" we were somehow justified in doing these things.
It may not be true of turkish culture, but it is true of you, individually, and that's all I was commenting upon, wasn't it?
Yes, americans don't have any history or blood "creating their past"..lol, idiotic. Doner are delicious btw, a worthy contribution. I suppose you weren't aware that we have a political party of "tradition and family values", no worries, I guess you don't see that too often in movies. I don't have an HD TV, I don't have a Wii, I am not rich or famous, and I don';t desire any of these things. I do own a home, I do own property, are you actually criticizing this, because you seem to be all about it as long as the blood pumping through someones veins is turkish..... Seems to me that we're getting better about social welfare, not worse. I'm not sure why you think that the reasons my ancestors came here is lost on me, it's the entirety of what makes me "me". Family is as important to me and mine as it is to you and yours. The only reason you assume otherwise is that you are an ethnocentric bigot that believes that I am somehow less this-or-that than yourself by virtue of ancestry. Go fuck yourself.
I don't "despise the pure ones", I doubt that you are a "pure one", but this isn't my beef with you. My beef is that you're an ethnocentric bigot regardless of what story may lie in your blood.
What point? I wasn't aware that you actually had one.
Where are you sourcing your info on this (rhetorical, your own ass)?
Why would I want those lands, where have I made any claim to them? WTF are you talking about?
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