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Definition of Atheism
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RE: Definition of Atheism
(July 4, 2014 at 4:55 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Finally, some sense in a concise form! Smile

Now then, what word would describe "not theism"?
If not atheism, then what?

I manage it sometimes. Tongue

Not sure if there's single term just for that, since it describes every non-theist. Strict agnostics aren't theists, but aren't atheists on my view either, and I think they'd agree. They don't think theists or atheists are justified in affirming their positions.

Perhaps ignostic/theological noncognitivists.

(July 4, 2014 at 5:27 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Yes, it is a necessary condition of atheism to be "not theism". But it doesn't follow from "not theism" to "theism is false".

Sorry, but I should have been clearer. When i say atheism is "theism is false", I mean that statement is a belief. But I did not say that "not theist" = "theism is false". I said atheism = "theism is false".

Quote:I've pointed this out to you previously, that you are trying to respond to 2 prongs of a dilemma simultaneously.

There are 2 truth claims with regards to the existence of a god;

1. a god(s) exists
2. a god(s) do not exist

Only one of these can be true.

But disbelieving the 1st truth claim does not mean that one accepts the 2nd truth claim by default. The both have to be evaluated separately.

I agree. I never said those were the same. I said the only sensible definition of atheism would be to those who affirm belief that #2 is, or is probably, true. I also said strict agnostics (and ignostics) cannot be called an atheist or theists, and that to do so just seems unwarranted, & requires redefining things weirdly to do so.
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Definition of Atheism - by MindForgedManacle - July 4, 2014 at 4:07 am
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Confused Ape - July 4, 2014 at 4:14 am
RE: Definition of Atheism - by MindForgedManacle - July 4, 2014 at 4:17 am
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Confused Ape - July 4, 2014 at 4:24 am
RE: Definition of Atheism - by MindForgedManacle - July 4, 2014 at 4:31 am
RE: Definition of Atheism - by ignoramus - July 4, 2014 at 5:41 am
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Whateverist - July 4, 2014 at 9:01 am
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Ben Davis - July 4, 2014 at 7:14 am
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Grandizer - July 4, 2014 at 7:20 am
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Dystopia - July 4, 2014 at 8:17 am
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Grandizer - July 4, 2014 at 8:24 am
RE: Definition of Atheism - by pocaracas - July 4, 2014 at 8:49 am
RE: Definition of Atheism - by MindForgedManacle - July 4, 2014 at 10:01 am
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Cato - July 4, 2014 at 10:25 am
RE: Definition of Atheism - by MindForgedManacle - July 4, 2014 at 10:50 am
RE: Definition of Atheism - by eyemixer - July 4, 2014 at 11:54 am
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Mister Agenda - July 4, 2014 at 12:37 pm
RE: Definition of Atheism - by MindForgedManacle - July 4, 2014 at 1:11 pm
RE: Definition of Atheism - by SkepticismFirst - July 4, 2014 at 2:09 pm
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Confused Ape - July 4, 2014 at 3:08 pm
RE: Definition of Atheism - by SkepticismFirst - July 4, 2014 at 3:12 pm
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Confused Ape - July 4, 2014 at 3:20 pm
RE: Definition of Atheism - by SkepticismFirst - July 4, 2014 at 3:47 pm
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Confused Ape - July 4, 2014 at 3:55 pm
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Mister Agenda - July 5, 2014 at 10:54 am
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Whateverist - July 5, 2014 at 1:24 pm
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Whateverist - July 4, 2014 at 4:54 pm
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Welsh cake - July 4, 2014 at 2:24 pm
RE: Definition of Atheism - by MindForgedManacle - July 4, 2014 at 3:27 pm
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Confused Ape - July 4, 2014 at 3:43 pm
RE: Definition of Atheism - by MindForgedManacle - July 4, 2014 at 4:06 pm
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Mister Agenda - July 5, 2014 at 11:37 am
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Thumpalumpacus - July 6, 2014 at 8:21 am
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Dystopia - July 6, 2014 at 9:07 am
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Mister Agenda - July 7, 2014 at 12:28 pm
RE: Definition of Atheism - by pocaracas - July 4, 2014 at 4:16 pm
RE: Definition of Atheism - by MindForgedManacle - July 4, 2014 at 4:21 pm
RE: Definition of Atheism - by pocaracas - July 4, 2014 at 4:55 pm
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Simon Moon - July 4, 2014 at 5:27 pm
RE: Definition of Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - July 4, 2014 at 4:58 pm
RE: Definition of Atheism - by MindForgedManacle - July 4, 2014 at 5:44 pm
RE: Definition of Atheism - by pocaracas - July 4, 2014 at 6:14 pm
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Angrboda - July 4, 2014 at 6:39 pm
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Whateverist - July 4, 2014 at 6:44 pm
RE: Definition of Atheism - by MindForgedManacle - July 4, 2014 at 7:56 pm
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Confused Ape - July 5, 2014 at 4:28 am
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Grandizer - July 5, 2014 at 4:34 am
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Dystopia - July 5, 2014 at 9:33 am
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Grandizer - July 5, 2014 at 10:10 am
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Thumpalumpacus - July 5, 2014 at 9:03 am
RE: Definition of Atheism - by ignoramus - July 5, 2014 at 9:39 am
RE: Definition of Atheism - by vorlon13 - July 5, 2014 at 11:18 am
RE: Definition of Atheism - by vorlon13 - July 5, 2014 at 12:02 pm
RE: Definition of Atheism - by MindForgedManacle - July 5, 2014 at 6:33 pm
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Mister Agenda - July 7, 2014 at 12:08 pm
RE: Definition of Atheism - by Whateverist - July 7, 2014 at 12:26 pm

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