RE: General argument for Islam.
March 27, 2015 at 6:05 pm
(This post was last modified: March 27, 2015 at 6:08 pm by jesus_wept.)
(March 27, 2015 at 2:23 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(March 27, 2015 at 4:48 am)jesus_wept Wrote: Do you not see that Allah has subjected to you whatever is on the earth and the ships which run through the sea by His command? And He restrains the sky from falling upon the earth, unless by His permission. Indeed Allah , to the people, is Kind and Merciful.
The Quran wasn't written by the creator of the universe, it was written by a moron who didn't have a clue how the universe worked.
The Quran says it has given from all type of parables. Notice it says "except by his permission". This means sometimes Allah allows the sky to fall upon the earth. But what is meant by sky is not the physical sky, and what is meant by earth is not the physical earth.
I suggest you look at other verses that use sky and earth, and you will see it talks about it as spiritual realities in which the soul has a relationship to.
For example it states if whether Mohammad can bring an opening to the earth or a ladder to the sky to bring a sign to them, in which he does for believers but cannot do for the unjust, as they are veiled, and it would harm them if he did so in their state.
Other verses say if God opened them doors to the heavens they would be unjust in their ascension.
So God holds the sky from descending upon the earth except by his permission.
And in Du'a Nudba it said "Where is the link between the sky and the earth"
Sky refers to a higher reality.
And there is other verses people often take literally too which are parables like when the Quran says the sky and the earth was one, it's not talking about big bang, as can't expect people to know that by saying "do they not see that...", but rather it's talking about a spiritual reality that can be witnessed by knowing we come from God and return to God.
Likewise when it says we brought down water from the sky to repel the uncleanness of the devil on believers on a certain day, it's not talking about physical sky or physical water.
And the same is true when it says his throne was upon water. Or when it says he created everything from water.
And when he is talking about constantly expanding the sky, it's not talking about the physical universe, although it is true, but about a higher reality, because Quran is not concerned with bestowing scientific knowledge, if that was the goal of the Quran, then it didn't do very well. I don't blame you for this literal-ism because even Muslims do it.
There is other parables with day and night, sun and moon and stars, the hadiths talk about it. Even mountains in Quran are parables referring to his chosen ones in most places if not all but people want to make it about some scientific fact!
I also think when we read a book, we should read it charitably, not always assume the worse possible meaning and ignore any possible majestic meanings.
You can use all the mental gymnastics you want, to try and convince yourself that the Quran isn't complete and utter nonsense, but, at the end of the day, this is basically the universe the Quran describes.
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