Calling it into question...

[Ben Davis]

Hi pops,

The Lord is nature and can be seen everywhere in everything

So you're some sort of pantheist or deist then?

You are right it is about logic and common sense. you people act like everything is here for your pleasure. Life is a battle, but people like you aren't even fighting. You take lack of proper upbringing and turn it into unconditional acceptance of everything as if some shit isn't wrong , then bitch and moan becouse you have no direction. You don't ever wonder why so many are so miserable? The ones that aren't miserable are ignorant.

Sorry, who are you addressing this to? All atheists? Because you misrepresent me in a most dismissive and insulting way! An apology is due for your crass and unrepresentative generalisation.

The morons that lack the capacity to take the ancient texts as lessons...

...are the biblical fundamentalists. Very few atheists, in the Western hemisphere at least, expect literalist interpretations of religious texts because that's not the way religions manifest here, typically. That said, I have seen it happen once or twice and I've criticised such arguments in exactly the same way I would jump on fundamentalism.

It isn't some dude with a beard floatin around waiting to step on you when you fuck up. Get that portrayal out of your mind.

That's your interpretation. Many other theists would disagree with you. Certainly 'the big paternal beard in the sky' is the common imagery used in Europe.

You can consider the Lord the creation of all good things.

I don't believe that there is any such 'lord' so I won't consider it as anything, thanks very much.

Some things in nature are not good for us exactly but that doesn't mean that God is out to get you. Bad shit happens. It is part of nature.

If you believe in an omni-everything god, responsible for creating everything, it necessarily follows that God put 'bad shit' out there deliberately. It may not be personal but such a god would certainly be responsible for unimaginable suffering & grief and should be held accountable for its actions.

There is no wonder why you can't see. It's because you refuse.

Or might it be because there's nothing to see?

Nature doesn't usually intervien with nature. Life is amazing. It is awesome and terrible.

So you don't believe in a benevolent god then?

The truth is that the Lord and the unspeakebke are not the same thing so all the negative shit that you foolishly associate with God can be associated with evil which isn't the Lord. We are all connected to each other, the Lord, and Lucifer if you must need a name for it. If it was possible to do without pride, you could say that we are God and Satan because they are a part of us.

But if the Lord is responsible for creating everything, it must be also responsible for evil. There's no escaping that, no matter how hard you try to reallocate accountability.

With that being said, the evidence is everywhere.

If that were true, it would be provided and verified. Since that hasn't happened, in spite of repeated requests for it, your assertion can be dismissed.

You can swallow your misguided pride and slowly work towards belief and eventually Faith in which you will have your personal proof, or just wait till you die, at which time you will surely, finally have it.

'Personal' proof is no proof at all. Once I'm dead, there's no verifiable evidence to suggest that I'll have any experience of anything.

The Lord does love his creation , all of it.

Given your previous statements regarding 'the bad shit', this is contradictory. Which is it? A god that begets suffering and misery or a god who loves his creation? You can't have it both ways.

So if that is the case then how can you expect it to let us destroy it just because we are too blind to see what we are doing.

Once again, an attempt to shift accountability for 'the bad shit' away from your god.

If you want evidence simply look up on a clear nite.

If you want to see that I am actually really close to the truth then read the Sumer texts, Book of Enoch, the Old Testament, or Qur'an.

I have and such reading clearly reinforces the idea that gods are man-made concepts. Why would you think that they would lead me to your conclusions?

Or you can just think that you know better than civilizations that were here way before us, and who were much more in tune with reality, instinct, gut feeling, intuition, and common sense.

What makes you think that they were 'better' than us in those ways?

Oh yeah, all that shit you said was in the Bible, man wrote that shit. And we all have good and evil in us.

By your god's design?

So even though the ancients had good intent, they were misguided at times if evil is a power that encompasses all negative things including thoughts and actions then it is easy to see how he would misconstrue all he could grasp in order to do what is being done right now, by you. The Lord will not abolish shit. It is up to us who are failing miserably because of our divided, selfish ways.

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