(November 18, 2015 at 5:22 pm)Napoléon Wrote:I think this is the same with black people in Portugal - I have a black cousin I don't talk to much, he's actually mixed race but identifies as African - He told me without any sense of political correctness that black people consider one another to be "cousins" everytime, and treat themselves as such - So if you're black, and you see another black, you can go shake his hand and say something like "hey brother, good to meet you" - I get it that people want someone with close cultural proximity and all, but if I did that with my friends who happen to be mostly white I'd be labelled a racist. I think Muslims might be a similar case, but probably more serious. I've met blacks in uni and seen many black having fun with whites and other races, which is good, but I dunno if that's the case for Muslims.(November 18, 2015 at 5:14 pm)Dystopia Wrote: Younger generations are becoming less and less religious, I can't seem to find any friend who even goes to church regularly, but that is not the case with Muslims - I wonder if it has to do with immigration, or with some of them having proper Islamic schools even in countries like England?
From an English point of view, it appears to me to be down to their sense of identity. I get the real vibe that a lot of young muslims identify as "muslim first". By that I mean, they consider themselves muslim before they consider themselves English. Might seem a strange thing to say seen as one is a religion and the other a nationality (the stupidity of it is not lost on me), but the reality is that a lot of muslims in my experience have this kind of mindset. Or at the very least seem to.
Whenever I see groups of young muslim lads they seem very close knit. Even when they don't seem to know each other they still shake hands when greeting. I've seen shitloads of young muslims acting all pally with each other and saying "what up cuz?" and all this other shite. The one guy I went to uni with would speak to me every day, I'd greet him EVERY DAY. I thought we got on quite well. But he never ever shook my hand when we met, he never ever showed the same enthusiasm when he saw me. But he saw another random muslim guy in the hallway that he only knew by acquaintance and acted as though they were best buds.
People who don't often see this kind of thing will probably think it pointless nonsense that doesn't mean anything. But to me it's blatantly obvious that shit goes on behind closed doors and muslim families IMHO absolutely must be propounding and reinforcing a sentiment of "us and them", especially with the younger generations.
One thing I find disturbing is how Muslim families have this idea of keeping the religion alive - I know 2 people who married Muslim women, and both of them had to convert to marry - Of course both didn't really believe, they just pretended to convert to fit in, but either you convert or you can't marry them - A friend of my GF married a Muslim and she had to convert, otherwise she couldn't marry him, and had to do some really weird rituals, and now needs permission from her family to go out, etc - It's the small things that in excess bother people. I tend to distrust groups of people who don't want to marry outside of religion, let alone people who need permission to marry.
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