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Why Trump has won
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RE: Why Trump has won
Bigots were already there. There's been bigotry in America, there's never been a time when there was not bigotry in America in some form. There were always bigots who were going to vote for Trump whatever political climate we live in.

What I think has swayed it, and I think this is why we're seeing the rise of this horrible alt-right movement across The West, is that we have a Left-wing who are alienating and failing people who would support them by abandoning their traditional principles.

The elephant in the room here, imo at least, is The Left. When you have this SJW culture who are on a crusade of "this is my opinion. You're going to agree and agree 100% or you're a bigot who belongs with Trump", you shrink the space for people who are caught between that and the Trump-like far-right. You have certain groups and individuals who would normally vote left, but they feel so alienated by this screaming radical Left that Trump honestly looks more appealing.

I know right now that me just pointing that out will get some of this lots' backs up, who will read what I've just wrote as me being "alt-right", even though I've consistently made posts on this forum expressing firmly leftist views.

I think Trump like so many other people on the alt-right, by appropriating traditionally leftist language of "rights" and "freedoms", appeals to people who are very concerned about encroaching Islamism post-Orlando and Paris. Why is "gays for Trump" a thing? Because what I saw with my own eyes as a gay man post-Orlando was a pathetic weak Left, who were scared to name the problem of anti-gay bigotry within Islam. They really drop the ball on this, and allow people like Trump to come into that space and, instead of critiquing religion in a nuanced and liberal way, to just say they want to ban all Muslims from America. While that is totally illiberal and deplorable, it sounds good to scared people who the Left are failing. It's an "at least they're saying something" mentality.
"Adulthood is like looking both ways before you cross the road, and then getting hit by an airplane"  - sarcasm_only

"Ironically like the nativist far-Right, which despises multiculturalism, but benefits from its ideas of difference to scapegoat the other and to promote its own white identity politics; these postmodernists, leftists, feminists and liberals also use multiculturalism, to side with the oppressor, by demanding respect and tolerance for oppression characterised as 'difference', no matter how intolerable."
- Maryam Namazie

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Why Trump has won - by dyresand - November 9, 2016 at 9:15 am
RE: Why Trump has won - by Edwardo Piet - November 9, 2016 at 9:25 am
RE: Why Trump has won - by dyresand - November 9, 2016 at 1:06 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Edwardo Piet - November 9, 2016 at 1:09 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by abaris - November 9, 2016 at 9:30 am
RE: Why Trump has won - by The Grand Nudger - November 9, 2016 at 9:31 am
RE: Why Trump has won - by Crossless1 - November 9, 2016 at 9:32 am
RE: Why Trump has won - by dyresand - November 9, 2016 at 1:11 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Minimalist - November 9, 2016 at 12:17 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Doubting Thomas - November 9, 2016 at 3:46 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Minimalist - November 9, 2016 at 3:50 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Doubting Thomas - November 9, 2016 at 4:45 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Aroura - November 9, 2016 at 4:57 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by abaris - November 9, 2016 at 5:19 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Crossless1 - November 9, 2016 at 4:03 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by mlmooney89 - November 9, 2016 at 12:20 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Fireball - November 9, 2016 at 12:25 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Neo-Scholastic - November 9, 2016 at 1:22 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Fireball - November 9, 2016 at 6:40 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Tonus - November 9, 2016 at 7:31 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by account_inactive - November 9, 2016 at 12:27 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Edwardo Piet - November 9, 2016 at 1:13 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Aroura - November 9, 2016 at 1:21 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by brewer - November 9, 2016 at 1:10 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Aroura - November 9, 2016 at 1:24 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Iroscato - November 9, 2016 at 1:11 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Edwardo Piet - November 9, 2016 at 1:14 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Minimalist - November 9, 2016 at 1:24 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Edwardo Piet - November 9, 2016 at 2:08 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Edwardo Piet - November 9, 2016 at 1:17 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Neo-Scholastic - November 9, 2016 at 1:28 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by henryp - November 9, 2016 at 1:29 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by ApeNotKillApe - November 9, 2016 at 2:12 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by ApeNotKillApe - November 9, 2016 at 2:41 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Grandizer - November 9, 2016 at 3:10 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Aroura - November 9, 2016 at 2:19 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by dyresand - November 9, 2016 at 2:26 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Regina - November 9, 2016 at 2:47 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Napoléon - November 9, 2016 at 3:27 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Aroura - November 9, 2016 at 3:37 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Edwardo Piet - November 9, 2016 at 7:50 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Napoléon - November 9, 2016 at 8:17 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by The Grand Nudger - November 9, 2016 at 3:01 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Neo-Scholastic - November 9, 2016 at 3:42 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Divinity - November 9, 2016 at 3:57 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Crossless1 - November 9, 2016 at 4:01 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by The Grand Nudger - November 9, 2016 at 3:48 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by The Grand Nudger - November 9, 2016 at 4:00 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Amarok - November 9, 2016 at 4:13 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by The Grand Nudger - November 9, 2016 at 8:24 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by abaris - November 9, 2016 at 8:27 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Edwardo Piet - November 9, 2016 at 8:56 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by The Grand Nudger - November 9, 2016 at 9:04 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Fireball - November 9, 2016 at 9:32 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Edwardo Piet - November 9, 2016 at 9:35 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by The Grand Nudger - November 9, 2016 at 9:42 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by abaris - November 9, 2016 at 9:44 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Edwardo Piet - November 10, 2016 at 12:09 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by The Grand Nudger - November 9, 2016 at 11:08 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Homeless Nutter - November 10, 2016 at 2:26 am
RE: Why Trump has won - by Grandizer - November 10, 2016 at 3:17 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Aroura - November 10, 2016 at 3:28 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 10, 2016 at 3:34 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Aroura - November 10, 2016 at 3:43 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Edwardo Piet - November 10, 2016 at 3:43 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Napoléon - November 10, 2016 at 4:08 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by John V - November 10, 2016 at 3:44 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by The Grand Nudger - November 10, 2016 at 3:29 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Edwardo Piet - November 10, 2016 at 3:46 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by The Grand Nudger - November 10, 2016 at 3:57 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by Edwardo Piet - November 10, 2016 at 4:13 pm
RE: Why Trump has won - by The Grand Nudger - November 10, 2016 at 4:21 pm

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