(June 26, 2017 at 12:09 pm)SteveII Wrote:(June 26, 2017 at 11:00 am)Astonished Wrote: 1. Your lack of introspection is, like the name says, astonishing.
2. Actually from what I've seen on youtube, presentations by well-informed atheists and books (which cite sources) the Quran makes the same claim of being the final revelation (I guess the Book of Mormon also does, but...ew.) But I can't cite chapter and verse off the top of my head so I'd feel hypocritical asking you to do so when you make such a huge claim about the NT but it's generally the practical thing to do when you're attempting to correct someone who knows more than you.
3. Who gives a flying fuck who said what? The content of the message is the only significant part. Doing otherwise is called religion. If people didn't believe Jeebus was who they think he was, nothing in that book would hold any water.
4. The holy spirit DOES apparently control what people do (poor Pharaoh, suffering through many more plagues because Have It Yahweh wanted to be a bigger dick) but is nevertheless solely responsible for ensuring that any message it wishes to convey to mankind comes through clearly and unmistakably and its failure to do this in any way, shape or form leaves few options other than it does not exist, it does not care what we do or think, or it is a very weak god and unworthy of the sort of devotion it gets.
1. I hesitate to respond because I really don't really care for your version of a discussion, but I will give it a shot...
2. It's really hard to give you verse or two because it is the entire conclusion of the NT that it is the final revelation of God. After 2000 years of promising, God himself, in the person of Jesus, came to earth to pay our penalty in order to bridge the gap back to God so that we can have a relationship with him now and forever. Following the acceptance of the proffered gift, it is complete with instructions on how to conduct oneself. The next thing to expect is the second coming of Jesus. The exclusivity claims and exhaustive nature of the message is present in almost every chapter of the NT.
3. If you want to argue about conclusions of Christian teachings, you have to start with correctly understanding what those teaching are. I don't really care if you believe them or not. NT Christianity could never be construed to burn witches...period.
4. One of the responsibilities of the Holy Spirit is to make sure God's message is conveyed clearly and unmistakably and therefore that is why the NT is complete in it's description of the human condition, remedy for that condition, and guidance on how to conduct ourselves. If one chooses not to read it, who's fault is that?
Wow, I thought you were just naive but you're actually completely full of shit. You're just another biblical ignoramus who doesn't want to admit to all the contradictions and unwisdom of the damn thing (not to mention Jeebus was supposed to come back in the lifetime of his followers...and Jeebus wasn't even able to fulfill all the prophecies he was supposed to...and wasn't named what the Messiah was supposed to be named...but those are just those little inconvenient truths you like to pretend don't exist.) How do you not realize this is what makes it so hard to take you seriously from the start? You make way too many assumptions and underestimate the knowledge of your opponents, so what do you expect?
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.