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Did Jesus exist?
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RE: Did Jesus exist?
(October 28, 2010 at 5:55 pm)Paul the Human Wrote: Um. No it isn't. It is a lack of belief in the claims that a god exists. Some atheists claim agnosticism and some claim gnosticism, but all atheism is is the lack of belief in deities. There is a difference between "I do not believe in a god" - and - "I believe there are no gods".

Both views are atheistic, because they both entail a lack of belief.

Of course there is a difference between "I do not believe in a god" - and - "I believe there are no gods". Both are legitimate descriptions and definitions of two different kinds of atheism. They may both entail a lack of belief, but one definition of atheism is fundamentally different from the other because it leads to a fundamentally different set of conceptual consequences.

The idea that all the conceptual consequences of one type of atheism can sweep up and obliterate the conceptual consequences of the other is a little bit dictatorial (for want of a better word). And one of the consequences of the position that there is no god is that the existence or not of Jesus is of little importance to the atheist. I am happy to discuss why.

The claiming of "gnostic" atheism has not yet been made compulsory; it remains, of course, voluntary .
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Did Jesus exist? - by solja247 - October 28, 2010 at 6:07 am
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Anomalocaris - October 28, 2010 at 6:18 am
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by The Omnissiunt One - October 28, 2010 at 6:21 am
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Shinylight - October 28, 2010 at 6:35 am
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by solja247 - October 28, 2010 at 6:36 am
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Anomalocaris - October 28, 2010 at 6:43 am
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by annatar - October 28, 2010 at 6:51 am
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Anomalocaris - October 28, 2010 at 6:53 am
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by The Omnissiunt One - October 28, 2010 at 8:03 am
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Zen Badger - October 28, 2010 at 7:40 am
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Skipper - October 28, 2010 at 8:14 am
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by thesummerqueen - October 28, 2010 at 12:05 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Minimalist - October 28, 2010 at 12:05 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by thesummerqueen - October 28, 2010 at 12:16 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Rayaan - October 30, 2010 at 5:54 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Minimalist - October 28, 2010 at 12:19 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by thesummerqueen - October 28, 2010 at 12:29 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by theVOID - October 28, 2010 at 4:00 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by thesummerqueen - October 28, 2010 at 4:06 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Minimalist - October 28, 2010 at 4:25 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by theVOID - October 28, 2010 at 4:36 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Existentialist - October 28, 2010 at 4:43 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Anomalocaris - October 28, 2010 at 4:51 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Existentialist - October 28, 2010 at 5:06 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by padraic - October 28, 2010 at 5:17 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Existentialist - October 28, 2010 at 5:44 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Minimalist - October 28, 2010 at 4:48 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Paul the Human - October 28, 2010 at 5:47 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Existentialist - October 28, 2010 at 5:51 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Paul the Human - October 28, 2010 at 5:55 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Existentialist - October 28, 2010 at 6:05 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by theVOID - October 28, 2010 at 6:17 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Existentialist - October 29, 2010 at 6:32 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Minimalist - October 28, 2010 at 5:55 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Paul the Human - October 28, 2010 at 6:12 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Existentialist - October 28, 2010 at 6:37 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Paul the Human - October 28, 2010 at 10:34 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2010 at 10:27 am
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by DeistPaladin - October 29, 2010 at 8:36 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by solja247 - October 29, 2010 at 11:16 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Zen Badger - October 30, 2010 at 1:57 am
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Minimalist - October 30, 2010 at 12:21 am
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Darwinian - October 30, 2010 at 5:56 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Shinylight - October 30, 2010 at 6:03 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Zen Badger - October 30, 2010 at 7:49 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Paul the Human - October 30, 2010 at 5:59 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Darwinian - October 30, 2010 at 6:00 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Rayaan - October 30, 2010 at 6:11 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Minimalist - October 30, 2010 at 6:47 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Rayaan - October 30, 2010 at 9:06 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Anomalocaris - October 30, 2010 at 9:09 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Minimalist - October 30, 2010 at 9:30 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by annatar - October 30, 2010 at 10:58 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by DeistPaladin - October 30, 2010 at 11:38 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Minimalist - October 30, 2010 at 11:51 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by annatar - October 31, 2010 at 12:41 am
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Minimalist - October 31, 2010 at 2:31 am
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by annatar - October 31, 2010 at 7:46 am
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Skipper - October 31, 2010 at 9:03 am
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by gmjackson - October 31, 2010 at 3:38 am
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by annatar - October 31, 2010 at 10:17 am
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Minimalist - October 31, 2010 at 12:01 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by annatar - October 31, 2010 at 12:36 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Minimalist - October 31, 2010 at 1:31 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by annatar - October 31, 2010 at 1:52 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Minimalist - October 31, 2010 at 2:24 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by solja247 - October 31, 2010 at 9:48 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by ib.me.ub - October 31, 2010 at 9:52 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by solja247 - October 31, 2010 at 11:37 pm
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by DeistPaladin - November 1, 2010 at 12:07 am
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by solja247 - November 1, 2010 at 12:23 am
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by DeistPaladin - November 1, 2010 at 12:30 am
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by Minimalist - November 1, 2010 at 1:09 am
RE: Did Jesus exist? - by solja247 - November 2, 2010 at 7:45 pm

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