The death penalty makes no sense.

[Amarok]

This will be my last response in this thread since all we're doing is going in circles.  Serioysly, it's like debating a creationist.

That's strange i find this very productive and interesting.But if your not enjoying it then you should not continue .

First let me state that if you think 8 years is worthy punishment for deliberately taking a life then you're either trolling me or you have a seriously screwed up sense of justice.

I do think it's a punishment any jail time is a punishment it's what jail is . And yes i think if a person has shown a willingness to change they should be given a chance.I consider that just .

Now, we will never agree on this and arguing it back and forth isn't getting us anywhere.

No we won't agree but i feel this was productive in giving our respective position that does not require agreement .I enjoyed this .

I've stated I think some crimes are worthy of the death penalty of there's absolutely no doubt.  You disagree.

Yup 

I've stated that life in prisonment without the possibility of release is a worthy alternative to the death penalty for other circumstances.  You disagree.

Yup

You've stated that life in prison is tantamount to torture.  I disagree.

Yup

You've stated that even the most vile of criminals should some day be released.  I disagree.

If they are rehabilitated and show a willingness to change .Though i will admit what to do with those that show neither is an open question  

As the saying goes, opinions are like arseholes.  And I frankly don't give a fuck if people agree with me or not.

I don't remember saying otherwise

I'm pretty liberal on most things.  This isn't one of them.

Plenty of Conservatives reject the death penalty 

This is getting neither of us anywhere so I think it's time we quit (or at least I did).

I refer to my earlier statements but i understand 

Also, it's Friday afternoon and I have FAR better things to be doing with my time.

Have fun

Lastly, don't go seeing this as a retreat, a victory, or an admission of defeat.  This is simply a "I can't be fucked anymore".

This implies this was a contest rather then a candid discussion between friends . I'm very sorry if it came off that way .

Toodles!

Same