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Beating women in Islam
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RE: Beating women in Islam
(October 11, 2018 at 6:43 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(October 11, 2018 at 4:03 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: There is no doubt that humanity through its history faced a civil war between the both variations of humans: males and females.
It was mostly a male dominated war with men winning time after time due to their numbers and having higher muscle percentage.

But why does the Quran gives permission for men to hit their wives ? notice that I used the word "wives" and not the word "women".
The verse which gave the permission says:



The original Arabic word for "protectors and maintainers" is "Qawamoon قوامون", so you can google that up to make sure I didn't play or change the translation.

So it makes total sense that due to God's gifting men and males with the gift of bigger muscle index and strength and making the spending of money on the mate falling on their hands most of the time, they are the protectors and maintainers of women. Of course, even historically wars are dominated by men, and almost by 99.9999999 % husbands go to battlefields to protect their wives.

The verse then speaks about women who rebel against their husbands; and goes to define 3 levels of rebellion:

1-The first is dealt with by admonishing.
2-The second is dealt with by abandoning the wife in bed
3-The third is dealt with by beating.

But we know from this verse that to take somebody's eye out, he must take yours first as this verse says:


We must apply this verse upon ourselves too. We can't take a part of the Quran and neglect the other part.
So this should make the "wife beating" urban legend clear: it is a very fair sentence in a religion that teaches justice, an eye for an eye, but also teaches that forgoing and forgiving is a very noble thing.

There is a strong wing that uses women's misery across history to turn females into wax dolls; making $$ out of their bodies from porn industries to feminism. Fooling the masses by nude parades, while Nicola and Bart get executed for being anarchists.

Let's rise to the occasion and start to look at women as peoples; not children.

You could have shortened this a whole lot by just typing, 'God told me it was OK to beat my wife.'

Fuck you.

Boru

No, what I said was literally this:

"If a wife beat her husband, her husband can beat her back with the same amount and magnitude, or forgive her for what she did".
Isn't that the normal thing you would do to anybody in the street?

What if your wife went ape shit and came at you with a baseball bat? and she gave it to you, breaking a bone or two? wouldn't you fight back?

But if a woman I love slapped me, or punched me because she's emotional and can't control it, I would forgive and try to be helpful.
And I assure you, God will not forget that I did.
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Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 11, 2018 at 4:03 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Minimalist - October 11, 2018 at 4:14 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Brian37 - October 11, 2018 at 4:20 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 11, 2018 at 4:42 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Minimalist - October 11, 2018 at 4:21 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by The Valkyrie - October 11, 2018 at 4:23 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Brian37 - October 11, 2018 at 4:28 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by The Valkyrie - October 11, 2018 at 4:29 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 11, 2018 at 5:00 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Brian37 - October 11, 2018 at 5:41 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 11, 2018 at 5:57 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Brian37 - October 11, 2018 at 7:09 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by The Valkyrie - October 11, 2018 at 6:36 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 12, 2018 at 4:16 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by brewer - October 12, 2018 at 8:03 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by SaStrike - October 11, 2018 at 4:47 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by The Grand Nudger - October 11, 2018 at 5:19 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 11, 2018 at 5:42 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Brian37 - October 11, 2018 at 5:49 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Minimalist - October 11, 2018 at 5:39 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 11, 2018 at 5:49 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Brian37 - October 11, 2018 at 6:02 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 11, 2018 at 7:06 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Deesse23 - October 11, 2018 at 6:25 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 11, 2018 at 7:30 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by AFTT47 - October 11, 2018 at 8:22 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 12, 2018 at 5:52 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Deesse23 - October 12, 2018 at 7:33 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 12, 2018 at 11:09 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Minimalist - October 11, 2018 at 5:55 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 11, 2018 at 6:15 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by brewer - October 11, 2018 at 6:38 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 11, 2018 at 6:43 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 12, 2018 at 4:22 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by The Grand Nudger - October 11, 2018 at 6:50 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 12, 2018 at 4:28 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Grandizer - October 11, 2018 at 7:24 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Minimalist - October 11, 2018 at 8:46 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by epronovost - October 11, 2018 at 8:55 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Draconic Aiur - October 11, 2018 at 8:55 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by The Grand Nudger - October 12, 2018 at 4:17 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by The Grand Nudger - October 12, 2018 at 4:25 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 12, 2018 at 6:11 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by The Grand Nudger - October 12, 2018 at 4:30 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by MysticKnight - October 12, 2018 at 4:48 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by MysticKnight - October 12, 2018 at 4:56 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by The Grand Nudger - October 12, 2018 at 4:51 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by The Grand Nudger - October 12, 2018 at 4:58 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by MysticKnight - October 12, 2018 at 5:00 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by MysticKnight - October 12, 2018 at 5:03 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by robvalue - October 12, 2018 at 4:59 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 12, 2018 at 6:18 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by The Grand Nudger - October 12, 2018 at 5:02 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by The Grand Nudger - October 12, 2018 at 5:04 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by MysticKnight - October 12, 2018 at 5:08 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by The Grand Nudger - October 12, 2018 at 5:09 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by MysticKnight - October 12, 2018 at 5:12 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by The Grand Nudger - October 12, 2018 at 5:14 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by MysticKnight - October 12, 2018 at 5:17 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by The Grand Nudger - October 12, 2018 at 5:18 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by robvalue - October 12, 2018 at 5:19 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by MysticKnight - October 12, 2018 at 5:20 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by MysticKnight - October 12, 2018 at 6:03 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by The Grand Nudger - October 12, 2018 at 6:05 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 12, 2018 at 6:27 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by robvalue - October 12, 2018 at 6:11 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by The Grand Nudger - October 12, 2018 at 6:14 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by robvalue - October 12, 2018 at 6:19 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by robvalue - October 12, 2018 at 6:54 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 12, 2018 at 7:06 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by The Grand Nudger - October 12, 2018 at 6:29 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 12, 2018 at 6:31 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by The Grand Nudger - October 12, 2018 at 6:32 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 12, 2018 at 6:38 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by robvalue - October 12, 2018 at 7:15 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 12, 2018 at 7:37 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by robvalue - October 12, 2018 at 7:40 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by The Grand Nudger - October 12, 2018 at 7:28 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Gawdzilla Sama - October 12, 2018 at 7:44 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by MysticKnight - October 12, 2018 at 8:11 am
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RE: Beating women in Islam - by robvalue - October 12, 2018 at 8:23 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 12, 2018 at 8:34 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by MysticKnight - October 12, 2018 at 8:46 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Brian37 - October 12, 2018 at 8:49 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by robvalue - October 12, 2018 at 11:16 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by MysticKnight - October 12, 2018 at 11:35 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by paulpablo - October 12, 2018 at 11:39 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by robvalue - October 12, 2018 at 12:00 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Grandizer - October 12, 2018 at 12:11 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 13, 2018 at 5:29 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Deesse23 - October 13, 2018 at 6:22 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 13, 2018 at 6:39 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by paulpablo - October 13, 2018 at 7:25 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 13, 2018 at 3:01 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by paulpablo - October 14, 2018 at 12:50 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 14, 2018 at 7:38 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Deesse23 - October 14, 2018 at 10:11 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 14, 2018 at 10:45 am
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RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 14, 2018 at 11:29 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Deesse23 - October 14, 2018 at 12:08 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by paulpablo - October 15, 2018 at 2:49 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Fake Messiah - October 25, 2018 at 6:51 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 25, 2018 at 7:14 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by robvalue - October 12, 2018 at 12:15 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by CapnAwesome - October 12, 2018 at 12:47 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by MysticKnight - October 12, 2018 at 12:58 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Deesse23 - October 13, 2018 at 7:08 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by MysticKnight - October 13, 2018 at 3:09 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 13, 2018 at 3:32 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by MysticKnight - October 14, 2018 at 10:54 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Brian37 - October 14, 2018 at 11:03 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 14, 2018 at 11:19 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Brian37 - October 14, 2018 at 12:07 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 14, 2018 at 11:12 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by MysticKnight - October 14, 2018 at 11:17 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by chimp3 - October 14, 2018 at 10:57 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 14, 2018 at 11:06 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by chimp3 - October 14, 2018 at 11:17 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Brian37 - October 14, 2018 at 11:21 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Deesse23 - October 14, 2018 at 11:23 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by MysticKnight - October 14, 2018 at 11:09 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Brian37 - October 14, 2018 at 11:25 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by MysticKnight - October 14, 2018 at 11:37 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by The Grand Nudger - October 25, 2018 at 8:06 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 25, 2018 at 9:03 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by SaStrike - October 26, 2018 at 8:40 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Fake Messiah - October 28, 2018 at 3:53 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Fake Messiah - November 6, 2018 at 8:01 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - November 6, 2018 at 8:49 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Fake Messiah - November 6, 2018 at 9:21 am
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RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - November 6, 2018 at 11:02 pm
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RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - November 9, 2018 at 3:58 pm
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RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - November 9, 2018 at 4:12 pm
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RE: Beating women in Islam - by MysticKnight - November 8, 2018 at 3:06 pm
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RE: Beating women in Islam - by Brian37 - January 19, 2019 at 3:23 pm
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