(January 15, 2009 at 7:57 am)CoxRox Wrote: I can't understand folk who wouldn't be happy there's more to this material universe than meets the eye.Depends what God you're talking about. If you define God as lovely and perfect and that evolution was his beautiful plan AND he existed then I'd be fine with it. But still I'd find it petty and pathetic.
Why do we need God? I don't think I'd wish for a God without evolution since I find the whole creation thing pathetic and unworthy of the universe in comparison to the beauty of evolution (minus all the suffering but then whether God exists or not, suffering still goes on).
I think the whole God thing is demeaning and unworthy of the universe. So I wouldn't wish it for that reason.
If you simply said that God is the universe itself, then that's fine if you're just being pantheistic and using God as a metaphor for the universe. For nature.
But I wouldn't want a super "mind" in the universe since I find it much more impressive, wonderful and beautiful that everything can work without some mind making it all happen.
And of course if this mind is so intelligent and brilliant - if he/she/it was really a good person (or whatever he/she/it is) then he/she/it wouldn't allow such horror that is present in the world.
And of course I'd never wish the genesis story or the OT God, the absurdly, grotesquely, horrifically evil (to say the least)Yahweh.
Nor would I wish some of the things in the NT. Although the OT is a lot worse.
And finally, if you're simply talking about more than material. Well how would you know? And if you knew, if there was somehow evidence - is immaterial necessarily God, or mind?
We have never had any evidence of any so we have no idea what it would be if it was ever (SOMEHOW, lol) found. Its simply a lack of imagination to assume immaterial=intelligence, mind, or God. It could be absolutely anything. Because we have no idea of such a thing anyway. Who knows what the hell it could be if it (whatever "it" is) exists.
Calling it God is misleading if its got nothing to do with a creator, an intelligence, a spirit, a mind, etc. If "it" exists and its none of those things - calling it God seems just pantheistic to me.
So do you just mean God, a supernatural creator, intelligence, spirit etc. Or ANYTHING immaterial meaning basically just that - ANYTHING immaterial. It could be absolutely anything, if "it" exists (although I don't believe it does since I don't believe in the immaterial) whatever "it" is.
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