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Expanding The Supreme Court
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RE: Expanding The Supreme Court
(September 28, 2020 at 6:34 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: Yeah, I think the vales are pretty high level shit that is somewhat obvious although both parties have different strategies. The big difference that I see in the list is limited government and freedom. I do not think that these are part of the democratic party. I think their version of freedom would be equanimity through controlling undesirable discourse. The Democratic party wants a huge government that would be necessary to mete out socialized healthcare as well as all the other safety net programs that I also think are necessary as well as provide meaningful work for those that have been displaced by automation and eventually AI. Those Silicon Natives are at it again!

Perhaps libertarians want limited government spending, but the corporate elite (Republicans, but also Democrats) want big government subsidy, no taxes, and bailouts when necessary.  Heck, fiscal responsibility isn't even a "thing" any more, on either side of the aisle.

Libertarians and Left-wing liberals both believe in personal freedom.  They just define it differently.  There is "freedom from" and "freedom to". 

The libertarian might own a family farm in a rural area and feel completely self-sufficient.  They want freedom from government confiscation of his family wealth, and freedom to live live as they choose.

The left-wing liberal may live in a city with poor parents, and their only way forward is to have government programs (like education) which don't rely on family wealth to succeed.  They want freedom from the fear of poverty (like after a healthcare bill) and freedom to control their bodies, sexuality, expression.

Each side judges the role of government based on their own experience and needs.  Everyone wants freedom for themselves.  They just don't necessarily want freedom for everyone, or recognize that another person's desire is a "valid" form of freedom.

I personally think that the "utopia" that extremes on each side want is a hell (mafia anarchy vs. full-blown socialism), and that somewhere in between is good.

As for fascists (including religious fascists) - those are just plain bad.
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Expanding The Supreme Court - by onlinebiker - September 26, 2020 at 11:16 am
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Brian37 - September 26, 2020 at 11:19 am
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by onlinebiker - September 26, 2020 at 12:39 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Anomalocaris - September 26, 2020 at 11:29 am
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Brian37 - September 26, 2020 at 11:34 am
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Anomalocaris - September 26, 2020 at 11:41 am
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Brian37 - September 26, 2020 at 11:47 am
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Anomalocaris - September 26, 2020 at 11:51 am
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 26, 2020 at 12:25 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by GUBU - September 28, 2020 at 2:52 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Anomalocaris - September 28, 2020 at 3:10 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by chimp3 - September 26, 2020 at 12:29 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Anomalocaris - September 26, 2020 at 12:33 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by chimp3 - September 26, 2020 at 1:11 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Brian37 - September 26, 2020 at 5:09 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 26, 2020 at 5:27 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 26, 2020 at 12:43 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Rev. Rye - September 26, 2020 at 5:04 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by The Architect Of Fate - September 26, 2020 at 5:31 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 26, 2020 at 5:35 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by The Architect Of Fate - September 26, 2020 at 5:39 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by arewethereyet - September 26, 2020 at 6:39 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 26, 2020 at 6:43 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by arewethereyet - September 26, 2020 at 6:50 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Aegon - September 26, 2020 at 7:44 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by The Architect Of Fate - September 26, 2020 at 7:47 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Rev. Rye - September 26, 2020 at 8:23 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Hillbillyatheist - September 27, 2020 at 12:13 am
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Rev. Rye - September 27, 2020 at 12:36 am
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by arewethereyet - September 27, 2020 at 1:33 am
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by onlinebiker - September 27, 2020 at 3:11 am
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Hillbillyatheist - September 27, 2020 at 3:31 am
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by onlinebiker - September 27, 2020 at 7:34 am
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 27, 2020 at 7:36 am
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by brewer - September 27, 2020 at 8:25 am
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by onlinebiker - September 27, 2020 at 9:20 am
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Anomalocaris - September 27, 2020 at 11:29 am
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by brewer - September 27, 2020 at 12:09 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Anomalocaris - September 27, 2020 at 2:24 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by brewer - September 27, 2020 at 2:43 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Anomalocaris - September 27, 2020 at 3:16 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by brewer - September 27, 2020 at 3:19 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Divinity - September 27, 2020 at 10:56 am
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Anomalocaris - September 27, 2020 at 3:33 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by brewer - September 27, 2020 at 3:38 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Anomalocaris - September 27, 2020 at 3:44 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Sal - September 27, 2020 at 3:46 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Anomalocaris - September 27, 2020 at 3:49 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by onlinebiker - September 27, 2020 at 4:19 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 27, 2020 at 4:45 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by onlinebiker - September 27, 2020 at 4:56 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Anomalocaris - September 27, 2020 at 4:56 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by onlinebiker - September 27, 2020 at 5:04 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Anomalocaris - September 27, 2020 at 5:11 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Rhizomorph13 - September 27, 2020 at 5:43 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Anomalocaris - September 27, 2020 at 5:58 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Rhizomorph13 - September 27, 2020 at 6:57 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Anomalocaris - September 27, 2020 at 7:07 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by The Architect Of Fate - September 27, 2020 at 7:48 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by The Architect Of Fate - September 27, 2020 at 4:09 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Anomalocaris - September 27, 2020 at 4:54 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by The Architect Of Fate - September 27, 2020 at 5:45 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Rhizomorph13 - September 27, 2020 at 7:29 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Anomalocaris - September 27, 2020 at 7:44 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Rhizomorph13 - September 27, 2020 at 8:51 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Sal - September 27, 2020 at 10:30 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Anomalocaris - September 27, 2020 at 10:42 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Rhizomorph13 - September 28, 2020 at 10:12 am
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by The Grand Nudger - September 28, 2020 at 10:26 am
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Rhizomorph13 - September 28, 2020 at 10:49 am
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Sal - September 28, 2020 at 11:06 am
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by The Grand Nudger - September 28, 2020 at 11:12 am
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Rhizomorph13 - September 28, 2020 at 11:40 am
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Anomalocaris - September 28, 2020 at 11:56 am
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Rhizomorph13 - September 28, 2020 at 12:59 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by The Grand Nudger - September 28, 2020 at 12:54 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Anomalocaris - September 28, 2020 at 1:41 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Rhizomorph13 - September 28, 2020 at 1:53 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Anomalocaris - September 28, 2020 at 1:54 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Rhizomorph13 - September 28, 2020 at 2:00 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by The Grand Nudger - September 28, 2020 at 2:47 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Rhizomorph13 - September 28, 2020 at 3:36 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by The Grand Nudger - September 28, 2020 at 3:41 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Rhizomorph13 - September 28, 2020 at 4:01 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by HappySkeptic - September 28, 2020 at 6:17 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by The Grand Nudger - September 28, 2020 at 4:05 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Rhizomorph13 - September 28, 2020 at 4:09 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by The Grand Nudger - September 28, 2020 at 4:17 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Rhizomorph13 - September 28, 2020 at 6:34 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by HappySkeptic - September 28, 2020 at 7:14 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by The Grand Nudger - September 28, 2020 at 6:41 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2020 at 8:30 am
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Rank Stranger - September 29, 2020 at 12:02 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Anomalocaris - September 29, 2020 at 12:13 pm
RE: Expanding The Supreme Court - by Secular Elf - September 30, 2020 at 1:32 pm

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