(June 2, 2021 at 3:11 pm)Astreja Wrote:do you people think anything through or do you just espouse without question little zinngers youve heard in the past?(June 2, 2021 at 10:08 am)ronedee Wrote: ...No one human, is innocent of sin.
Sin is an imaginary crime against an imaginary victim.
So murder is an imaginary crime against an imaginary victim? stealing? again according to you another imaginary crime with an imaginary victim? what about lying by saying you saw your neighbor kill someone when they did not?
Quote:Saying "I'm sorry, God; yes, I accept Jesus" does nothing to resolve a problem caused in the real world against a real victim.again, think things through.. Does the bible say repenting to God and accepting jesus is supposed to fix or bring back a murder victim? no.. then why would you assume that it did?
what strawman argument do you have that allows you to assign magical powers to repentance that 1) the bible does not claim. 2)then allows you to persecute the bible/bible followers for the magical powers YOU added to the scripture?
Quote:You must apologize and make restitution for what you've done, and the person you harmed is fully within their rights to refuse to forgive you.forgiveness works on two levels. what you owe God in the way of sin debt and what others owe you in the way of sin debt. God points out in a parable that the debt owed by you to him will never exceed the sin debt people owe you.
I reject substitutionary atonement unconditionally.
Therefore if God gives you the opportunity to eliminate your sin debt to him. he then in turn expect you to also forgive any sin debt owed by others to you. otherwise if you can not forgive it does not matter what you believe about substitutionary atonement. as your sins will not be forgiven.