(November 24, 2021 at 11:48 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(November 24, 2021 at 7:32 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: @ Brian.
We all qualify as outside frames of reference for each other. It actually should be pretty easy to demonstrate this free will business. The trouble is that when we go looking we find predisposition, circumstance, hard wiring, and conditioned response.
The space for free will, if it does exist in the human animal, seems exceedingly small.
But we’re all in the same frame of reference regarding the Does-free-will-exist question. Expecting that to determine the answers is like expecting the rats in a maze to have a confab as to the meaning of the experiment. It’s not possible for us to determine if we’re even in the maze at all. It would take a rat standing outside the maze to make that realization.
Boru
They are actually aware of what is going on:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_C._Tolman