RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
September 3, 2012 at 10:07 pm
(This post was last modified: September 3, 2012 at 10:15 pm by Tea Earl Grey Hot.)
(September 3, 2012 at 9:59 pm)Lion IRC Wrote:(September 3, 2012 at 9:21 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: ...Preaching unto Gentiles was a radical and controversial thing in the church. It took Peter's vision to legitimate it...
A few pages ago you were saying that preaching to the Gentiles was started by PAUL!
(September 3, 2012 at 8:45 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Remember when Paul or whoever had that vision about it being ok to eat unclean animals? That's when the Gentile mission started.
Neither Peter nor Paul were confused about Jesus' explicit invocation (instigation) to preach The Kingdom to EVERYONE....(who was willing to listen.)
And this is a critical thing for strong atheists and anti-theists to note. The Great Commission is to make the effort to spread the Gospel - nothing more. If a person tries their (humble) best and fails to convince an atheist that the Christian message is true, they are not condemned for failure.
Nobody can be forced to accept evidence they claim is unconvincing.
I said "Paul or whoever." I couldn't remember. And then you said it was Paul too but I found the passage I was thinking of and it was Peter.
And now you're begging the question. You're assuming Jesus actually said to preach to everyone to prove that Jesus said to preach to everyone and that Paul and Peter were doing this because Jesus said so.
The great commission is completely anachronistic. Christianity started out as a Jewish movement. Just answer this: If Jesus really said to preach unto everyone, why was it controversial to preach unto everyone in early NT writings? Why didn't Peter just quote Jesus? Why'd he have to have a vision to legitimate what was already supposedly legitimated!?!?!
(September 3, 2012 at 10:00 pm)Atom Wrote:(September 3, 2012 at 9:52 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Matthew and Luke were based on Mark and the source known as "Q." They're not independent accounts.That is purely a speculative supposition, not proven or even terribly well supported.
It's nice to know that you think that. Care to provide evidence against it and also maybe explain why the independent and "inspired" writing position (or whatever you believe) is a better theory that can better make sense of the evidence?
I know the theory has come under criticism from Mark Goodacre but he doesn't substitute it with anything that would make Christianity look better from what I understand.
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"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).