(July 19, 2012 at 3:38 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(July 19, 2012 at 3:30 pm)spockrates Wrote: Yes, I hear what you are saying. That sounds extremely similar to the response an Evangelical would give the Catholic, except for the part about there being a contradiction. The Evangelical would say there is no contradiction, for any genuine Christian will do the good things mentioned in the verses you provided, but these good things are not cause of being saved from hell, they are only a consequence of such a salvation. Good deeds are not the reason for receiving eternal life; they are only the result of such a life. The Catholic, they'd say, confuses corellation with causation, and for this reason, there is no contradiction. For the first verse you mentioned is speaking of the cause of salvation, but the other verses are speaking of salvation's effects.
As I said, you can say hypothetically believers will not disobey God or desire the of this world, it's however unrealistic, reality shows they do disobey God and desire the life of this world.
In other words, these salvation effects are not there in the real world. Christians are not all saints.
Agreed. There might be some exceptions, but few (if any) Christians are really like the Christ they profess to imitate. Don't you think?
"If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains (no matter how improbable) must be the truth."
--Spock
--Spock