Why Secular Morality is Superior

[John V]

My point is not a bare assertion. It's based on my reading of the Bible and my example of the 10Cs. Your "counter-example" isn't. Amish culture is very strict about conformity of their followers and they strictly outlaw the "evils" of blasphemy, idolatry and apostasy. It also promotes false "virtures", in their case eschewing modern culture. Hence, the Amish example actually proves my point.

You said two things are in the nature of religion – gaining more followers, and gaining increased obedience among existing followers. I clearly gave the Amish as a counterexample to the first, not the second. You’re applying them to the second, for which I gave a different counterexample. Are you being purposely misleading, or are you just too lazy to look back and follow the arguments?