RE: Will Jesus return on a white horse?
January 4, 2013 at 2:48 am
(This post was last modified: January 4, 2013 at 3:01 am by Undeceived.)
(January 3, 2013 at 9:35 pm)RichardP Wrote: Just about everything Jesus taught had to do with the Ten Commandments and obeying them.
"Everything"? Jesus is affirming that the law still exists, that adultery is still a sin. He just finished telling the pharisees their actions did not matter and that "God knows your hearts" (Luke 16:15). Jesus' audience clearly understands his shift in focus from other Jewish rabbis, which is why he must go back and explain the law.
(January 3, 2013 at 9:35 pm)RichardP Wrote: So are you arguing that Jesus would forgive that "sin" and therefore he would be eligible to go to heaven? He is not sincerely repentant.. If he had it to do over again he would still divorce her. Why should God forgive him?
Yes, why should He? Isn't it amazing how much God loves us! We need not repent of each sin individually (impossible). We need merely to believe He died for our sins and reform our hearts daily in grateful response.
(January 3, 2013 at 9:35 pm)RichardP Wrote: Maybe you could argue that not all marriages are going to work and we have to be realistic about it and Jesus will forgive. But that sure as hell wasn't what he told the Pharisees. He didn't tell them that you could get divorced as long as you asked for forgiveness and then the sin of adultery would be forgiven -- and then you would be eligible for eternal life!!!
Jesus wants people who follow him to change, not to use forgiveness as a licence to sin. It sounds like this is an important topic to you. Have you experienced a difficult marriage? God can mend all wounds. And I believe that if both marriage partners love with an Godly agape (self-sacrificial) love, there will never be a divorce.
(January 3, 2013 at 9:35 pm)RichardP Wrote: The truth is that the Christians never teach the Ten Commandments. They don't teach that salvation is dependent upon keeping the Ten Commandments.
Here's the thing. Salvation can be obtained by keeping God's law, meaning being one-hundred-percent righteous and sinless. But it is self-evident that no one has ever been fully righteous or even close. One selfish thought or white lie and the law is broken. That's why Jesus frequently says things like "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." You posted Matthew 19:17b-19. Well in Matthew 19:17a, Jesus replies, "Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only One who is good." He is questioning why the man is asking about being good by the law when there is "only One" who can be--God. He then proceeds to test the man's faith. Instead of telling him to refrain from doing evil (which is what the Ten Commandments calls for) he asks the man to selflessly sell everything and trust in God to provide. The man's true heart shows through as he leaves without doing what his Lord asked. Jesus sums up the narrative in verse 26 saying, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." According to him God is the one working, not us.
(January 3, 2013 at 9:35 pm)RichardP Wrote: Jesus taught salvation by obeying the Ten Commandments. And when asked about salvation he always answered that they needed to follow the Ten Commandments.
In the collection of verses I posted, Jesus continually connects faith or belief in himself to life and forgiveness. Please explain why you see it differently, or tell me just where in the Bible you're referring to.
(January 3, 2013 at 9:35 pm)RichardP Wrote: It sure wasn't his "faith" in the Jews God that made him help the man.
Jesus was again emphasizing that if someone were as loving as the Samaritan all the time, they would have to be righteous and worthy of heaven. Coincidentally, the only way to be so selfless is to possess the boundless love of God within. No one can be fully righteous unless they are so close to God as to practically be God, because all love comes from God. You can try to do all the necessary things to reach heaven, but it is impossible to know what all those necessary things are without actually seeing through loving eyes. The Jews passed the man on the road because they did not perceive helping him as part of the law. The line between good and evil is so fuzzy to humanity that we cannot completely know it without being connected to the moral Lawgiver—the One who created good and knows it from evil.
(January 3, 2013 at 9:35 pm)RichardP Wrote: I think that the notion of "faith" is an extremely vague one. Maybe it is just me but I don't know what the hell "faith" means. Do you have a definition?
http://www.acts17-11.com/faith.html
A Christian’s faith, more specifically, is in who Jesus is (God) and what he has done (died for forgiveness of sins), is doing and will do in the future. It is similar to the faith a child has that his/her parent will come home and feed them--a trust based on one's knowledge/experience of that person.