(November 3, 2013 at 11:24 am)justin Wrote:(November 3, 2013 at 10:47 am)CleanShavenJesus Wrote: Gun control arguments are getting more and more pathetic as time goes on. As if anyone arguing about anything is going to change the fact that some idiots see the words "gun control" and immediately assume that the government is going to take their guns, while it's just a simple background check bill that won't be passed because of said idiots.
Oh please cry me a river. And here again we see a anti-gun nutjob downplaying the political agenda on guns. Don't want a gun? Don't buy one. taking away guns or downsizing or restrictions don't work.
Yes, clearly I'm an "anti-gun nutjob". Where did I suggest the government should be taking guns? I owned a Glock 17 for 13 years, I sold it about 4 years ago. I have no interest in taking anybody's guns (but of course you'd jump straight to that, wouldn't you?)
justin Wrote:The criminals don't give two shits about the law. Most gun violence happens in no gun zones but anti-guns keep repeating their mantra amongst themselves as if it makes it anymore true.
This thought process is exactly what makes gun legislation so damn difficult to pass, even light ones like heavier background checks. Background checks that are already in place have kept over 2.1 million firearms out of dangerous hands, but these checks are not even close to being mandatory everywhere. Why wouldn't you be in favor of legislation enacting mandatory background checks if they actually work?
Most of the nationally-recognized shootings in America are caused by gunmen who got their firearms legally. Take a recent example: the Sandy Hook shooting. The shooter took that firearm from his own home. it was his mother's, bought legally. If a rigorous background check had been in effect, the seller would have known that her son had a history of mental issues (which is true, and was recognized by the family) and she would never have been sold the gun. Rightfully so.
Brakeman Wrote:Secondly, giving the government records of every gun ownership tends to go badly when the government becomes totalitarian, so history minded gun owners are uneasy with that, but we make concessions on that for first sale.
Oh yes, I'm sure the United States will steal all of our guns and become a totalitarian state. This is an irrational fear.
Brakeman Wrote:The pro gun control advocates do not take the gun owner's concerns in mind when drafting the legislations, so little common ground is seen.
Concerns such as?
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