Are you for or against the separation of church and state?

[Godscreated]

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Where did you get your info, even if it's accurate 2 billion people is far more than a handful as you stated, it's nearly 30%

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I said a relative handful. When more than 70% of the world's population is in danger of your god's wrath, those who are saved amount to a relative handful.

2 billion a relative handful, your sense of numbers is warped. You did not tell me where you got those numbers.

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You say you do not want God to save you and the rest of those who aren't saved probably feel the same. So why should He force you to live in eternity with Him if that's not your desire or anyone else for that matter. You said He should save those who do not desire it, so why did you change your mind.

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I did not say that he should save those who do not desire it. My post that started this exchange specifically asked why he would not reveal himself and "provide a path to heaven for all who would believe."

He has provided a way, just because you do not like it doesn't change the fact that He has provided a way to eternal life. You have already stated you do not want God, even if He revealed Himself, and you stated God should have provided a way for those who would believe. Sight of God seems as you've stated is not a reason to accept God, so God knowing this (it is in scripture by the way) provided a way for those who will believe period. So your statement holds no water. Seems God has found a way to weed out those who would never be sincere.

By the way, this is another tactic used by theists when their backs are against the wall. I'm pointing out how illogical it is for the god you worship to hide himself, and you pretend that we both believe that he exists. He cannot force me to do anything, because he doesn't exist. I have no expectations where god is concerned.

My back is not against the wall and it is irresponsible to presume so. No, your wanting God to do it your way, the Omniscient God of salvation has provided the perfect plan, the plan that insures all who will believe will come to Him. As far as pretending you believe would be irresponsible, I know you do not believe, I do think it's unfortunate.

Please show me the endless excuses Christians use for God not presenting Himself to man in a way everyone can know He's real.

Well, just in this topic, we have had either a variation or a direct use of these:

- We shouldn't "tempt" god.
- We shouldn't presume to demand something from god.
- We shouldn't be lazy, we should find it ourselves.
- The challenge itself is a 'selfish trap that you won't fall into.'
- God 'doesn't work that way.'
- "You're using scripture in a way that's against God."
- You don't see him because you won't/don't believe.
- God gave proof way back when, it's in the Bible.
- God will do as he pleases, maybe he'll reveal himself, maybe not.
- You have a comprehension problem, when you overcome it, we'll talk.
- You won't accept my reasoning.

I'll stop at those. Those are only yours, and in the past few pages of this topic. They're mostly a variation of "I/God don't have to explain myself/Him to you" or "you can't understand until you learn to look at it the way I do." Those are excuses, you use those phrases as a substitute for a rational consideration of the actions of your god and whether or not they're logical or sensible.

Those are not excuses, excuses are for those who have no valid reasoning. Most of those can be backed by scripture and the ones that can not you presumed they were said. As far as the comprehension problem, you read into scripture what you want to hear not what it actually says, that would be your problem not God's nor mine. For one to be dishonest with one's self is to look down on one's self.