rodenee Wrote:And what torture are you talking about if we have a choice?
If someone said to you: "Here is a bottomless bank account, a ticket to Hawaii and the keys to your new house... or we can tie you up in that chair over there and let you die of starvation?"
What would you do? Where is the coercion?
This falsely assumes that the person faced with two options want either. You think everyone wants to be Donald Trump? You think everyone wants to live in Hawaii?
"Endless bank account", metaphor for eternal life. Nice try to mask the real false promise of utopias that don't fucking exist.
It is still a choice of "kiss my ass or I will kick your ass". Idiots like you never consider a third option of "None of thee above".
"Eternal life". Sound boring to me. What about people who don't chose that that I know and love and I do? Will I be up in that "endless bank account" remembering those who are burning in hell because they didn't chose the branch I did? If I can't when I get up to heaven, remember them and that they are not with me, what am I but nothing but an bot with no brain of my own?
Heaven is an insidious concept to me. It tribalizes in comic book form the "chosen people" motif. It sets humans up to treat others as sub human and less valuable.
So lets take your "choice" motif here.
1. "Eternal bank account"
Or
2."or we can tie you up in that chair over there and let you die of starvation?"
No coercion?
Would you say the same thing if a Muslim or Jew or Mormon argued that same argument?
Not wanting option two "hell" does not mean option one "heaven" is any more credible a concept. The reality is that NEITHER exists, and that is the REAL good news.
