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Would they worship a chair?
#1
Would they worship a chair?
It is often said that if Jesus was killed by the guillotine or the electric chair or lethal injection that Christians would be wearing golden lethal injections around their necks or golden electric chairs.
And that their prayers like the Exaltation of the Holy Cross in September, that goes:
"O Lord our God, ... with the unfailing support of the Holy Cross uphold us whom thou makest rejoice to do it an honor."
Would go:
" ... with the unfailing support of the holy electric chair uphold us whom thou makest rejoice to do it an honor"

But that doesn't seem to be the case, because there is not enough blood and the whole Jesus execution is about the worship (if not fetishization) of blood.

Protestants and Catholics may disagree about many things, but they are bound together in an inexorable blood brotherhood when it comes to the meaning of blood for redemption. They value this execution very highly, and they refuse to do without it. That's probably why Mel Gibson's "Passion" was so popular because it is so bloody that most Christian denominations saw it as the right portrayal and enjoyed it.

Just as if Jesus had died of old age or food poisoning, the so-called "redemption of the human race" would not come to grief because no blood would have flowed. Christians would be missing half of the Eucharist--the wine, otherwise known as the blood. And at mass, the priests would get to use only half their words for transubstantiation. Incidentally, this shows that today's eucharistic feasts stand or fall not only with the death of Jesus, but, above all, with the proper kind of death for Jesus.

(Practically speaking, then, it was the Romans who so-called redeemed us: Thanks to their bloody, cruel penal justice, the world found salvation.)

Indeed, Christianity is a religion that glorifies one concrete execution--the execution of Jesus--because the Church sees in it an act of redemption through blood.

God is then the supreme advocate of the death penalty since he condemned his son to death and willed his crucifixion as the means of redemption. But, of course, the death penalty had to be instituted at some point before Jesus arrived, in time to make the redemptive death of Jesus possible. Thus all the people executed before Jesus are the prerequisite, the precursors, the pioneers of his redemptive death. And all the people executed after Jesus are victims of this idea of redemption through the cross. Because the institution of the death penalty, which was divinely willed concerning Jesus, cannot be against God's will in the case of other people. From this standpoint, all the executed are martyrs of sorts. They died then and die even now for the best of all causes: the redemption of the world.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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#2
RE: Would they worship a chair?
Its also about the torture. The endurance of pain to satisfy a perceived blood debt.
If it had been a painless death how could it be to pay for the sins of man? No, it had to be prolonged and agonizing.
There is a certain sick logic to it. If someone murdered your family what would you do to them? What would you do if they murdered *all* the families?
Well, Jesus is supposedly footing the bill for all the murders plus any side dishes in an act of vicarious redemption.

A by the book christian would probably consider a lethal injection as being a somewhat underwhelming solution that misses the mark of satisfying the blood debt.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die." 
- Abdul Alhazred.
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RE: Would they worship a chair?
There's nothing wrong with a blood fetish. Blood is extremely sexy.

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RE: Would they worship a chair?


 “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.” ~Albert Einstein                                                 
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#5
RE: Would they worship a chair?
Aren't they still worshipping the chair Clint ranted at?
As a species, we are fucked. To the next generation, I offer my inadequate apologies.
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#6
RE: Would they worship a chair?
I would not worship in a chair.  I would not worship flaming hair.
I would not worship guillotine.  I would not worship submarine.
I would not worship filicide.  I would not worship none but Clyde.
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RE: Would they worship a chair?
I might worship this chair.

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But there is also a good chance of cursing it.
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RE: Would they worship a chair?
(April 24, 2021 at 6:28 pm)brewer Wrote: I might worship this chair.

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But there is also a good chance of cursing it.


If it was the Persians rather than the romans who ruled Palestine, Jesus might have been executed by Scaphism instead of crucifixion.    In this case Christians today would worship a pile of shit with blow flys on them rather than the cross.
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RE: Would they worship a chair?
(April 24, 2021 at 6:28 pm)brewer Wrote: I might worship this chair.

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Eh, not me. Needs a stereo headrest, USB ports, and Bluetooth before I'd consider bowing before it. Tongue
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RE: Would they worship a chair?
(April 24, 2021 at 10:23 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: It is often said that if Jesus was killed by the guillotine or the electric chair or lethal injection that Christians would be wearing golden lethal injections around their necks or golden electric chairs.
And that their prayers like the Exaltation of the Holy Cross in September, that goes:
"O Lord our God, ... with the unfailing support of the Holy Cross uphold us whom thou makest rejoice to do it an honor."
Would go:
" ... with the unfailing support of the holy electric chair uphold us whom thou makest rejoice to do it an honor"

But that doesn't seem to be the case, because there is not enough blood and the whole Jesus execution is about the worship (if not fetishization) of blood.

Protestants and Catholics may disagree about many things, but they are bound together in an inexorable blood brotherhood when it comes to the meaning of blood for redemption. They value this execution very highly, and they refuse to do without it. That's probably why Mel Gibson's "Passion" was so popular because it is so bloody that most Christian denominations saw it as the right portrayal and enjoyed it.

Just as if Jesus had died of old age or food poisoning, the so-called "redemption of the human race" would not come to grief because no blood would have flowed. Christians would be missing half of the Eucharist--the wine, otherwise known as the blood. And at mass, the priests would get to use only half their words for transubstantiation. Incidentally, this shows that today's eucharistic feasts stand or fall not only with the death of Jesus, but, above all, with the proper kind of death for Jesus.

(Practically speaking, then, it was the Romans who so-called redeemed us: Thanks to their bloody, cruel penal justice, the world found salvation.)

Indeed, Christianity is a religion that glorifies one concrete execution--the execution of Jesus--because the Church sees in it an act of redemption through blood.

God is then the supreme advocate of the death penalty since he condemned his son to death and willed his crucifixion as the means of redemption. But, of course, the death penalty had to be instituted at some point before Jesus arrived, in time to make the redemptive death of Jesus possible. Thus all the people executed before Jesus are the prerequisite, the precursors, the pioneers of his redemptive death. And all the people executed after Jesus are victims of this idea of redemption through the cross. Because the institution of the death penalty, which was divinely willed concerning Jesus, cannot be against God's will in the case of other people. From this standpoint, all the executed are martyrs of sorts. They died then and die even now for the best of all causes: the redemption of the world.

Sorry to burst this bubble, but Catholics, (and I assume at least some Anglicans) do not hold that there would be "half the Eucharist". 
They believe that they get "body and blood, soul and divinity" even if they receive communion under one form. 
(It would be interesting to have them defend the "soul part", as in general they don't talk about the second person in their Trinity having a "soul"). 
https://www.usccb.org/prayer-and-worship...sence-faqs
I paid attention in Catechism class.  Angel Of course, you could go to Catholic Answers and ask the question, (LOL).
It's also interesting that their deity seems to be required to accept the nature of (their) reality with respect to what constitutes redemption.

Does one receive the whole Christ if one receives Holy Communion under a single form?

Yes. Christ Jesus, our Lord and Savior, is wholly present under the appearance either of bread or of wine in the Eucharist. Furthermore, Christ is wholly present in any fragment of the consecrated Host or in any drop of the Precious Blood. Nevertheless, it is especially fitting to receive Christ in both forms during the celebration of the Eucharist. This allows the Eucharist to appear more perfectly as a banquet, a banquet that is a foretaste of the banquet that will be celebrated with Christ at the end of time when the Kingdom of God is established in its fullness (cf. Eucharisticum Mysterium, no. 32).
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell  Popcorn
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