Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
November 6, 2014 at 6:00 am
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(November 3, 2014 at 11:46 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:(October 31, 2014 at 4:00 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: isn't that is whats claimed about Jesus? that he never existed and was just made up?
That's what some people claim. It isn't what I claim. And so what?
It is entirely likely that Jesus as known contemporarily, not unlike Paul Bunyan, is a conglomeration of oral traditions and tall tales about a surrogate penultimate lumberjack as told by lumberjacks.
It's also likely that Jesus was an actual historical dude who was incredibly charismatic, intelligent, and tapped in to the major themes of his day by invoking God as the source of his wisdom, and the weight behind his words.
Does it matter? Were it discovered tomorrow Plato invented Socrates as a vessel with authority to add weight to Plato's influence on western philosophy, would if matter?
Were it discovered tomorrow Jesus was an entirely made-up figure, based on a 30 AD Judaean man who was by most accounts, a homeless dropout of the rabbinical tradition who saw through the societal bullshit of the day so clearly, that 1,984 years later, there's a social movement dedicated to parsing the social changes and dogma built up around him?
What, exactly, is that, other than a God? That's close to 2,000 years of immortality.
Hypothetically, if there was a Jesus of Nazareth, who was just a guy, who happened to tap into the social construct most people refer to as "God," is there a meaningful difference between the Christian Dogma most atheists rail against and an omnipotent, omnipresent force?
Because that, to me, is a God, and is a surrogate for the social collective unconscious referred to as God; and by broad definition "A Son Of God."
So many atheists are focused on taking down the system that is already in place, in the pursuit of "Truth," that I fear the quality of the message is lost in translation.
You see through the societal BS. So do I. That's why we're discussing this on a forum.
But instead of rebuilding what someone like us started a long time ago, the focus is now on dismantling a system that's lasted 2000 years.
IF Jesus existed, he was just like you and I, and all the intelligent people who have come before us. He recognized a socio-religious system, and worked within it to enact real change.
If you, as atheists, want to effect the same change, you need to act within the same system to do so.
