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Unconventional opinions
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(April 11, 2014 at 10:19 am)Ben Davis Wrote:
(April 11, 2014 at 9:52 am)KUSA Wrote: 1. The work of a brain surgeon and the work of a garbage man are not of equal value. The garbage man is not capable of doing brain surgery however the surgeon would have no problem performing trash duty.
I'm not talking about human ability to perform a function, I'm talking about the value of roles within processes. Our current remuneration models are based around scareceness of ability: the rarer your skill, the greater your remuneration however we see this leads to people manipulating society so that the perception of rarity is used rather than the rarity itself. Also using W.E. Demming's statistical models, we see that human skill only impacts ~5% of all process outcomes therefore 'rarity' is not an appropriate means of determining value in the vast majority of scenarios. Instead it's better to examine the overall value chain of the process and equally distribute remuneration through it. That means the bin man gets paid the same as the surgeon because they're both adding value to the overall process.
Quote:2. If you did pay the trash man what the surgeon made it would be no different than the reverse. The economy would adjust to it and everyone would make a low wage. This would result in performers not giving a shit and you wouldn't have anyone worth a damned to remove your tumor.
Not true. Studies into reasons behind human motivation demonstrates that greater remuneration increases neither the likelihood of a role being performed nor the level of competence with which the role is carried out. Here's a great video summary by Dan Pink:



Quote:3. I assume your current job is on part with the trash man and not the brain surgeon.
All jobs are. What's your point?

Different jobs must pay differently. I am a highly skilled technician in electronics, mechanics, and hydraulics. I get payed much more than anyone I work with because I have a higher level of skills than anyone in my company. Basically I fix what others can not fix. They don't have the ability to do it.

I would not do this job if I could get a cushy air conditioned low stress easy job that payed the same. I would walk away from doing what I do now. The reason I do it is because I am good at it and that translates in to money.

Your theory is very flawed. You can get all the videos you want but it is just fantasy to believe it. The real world doesn't work that way.
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Unconventional opinions - by Sejanus - April 11, 2014 at 2:03 am
RE: Unconventional opinions - by BrokenQuill92 - April 11, 2014 at 2:05 am
RE: Unconventional opinions - by Anomalocaris - April 11, 2014 at 2:51 am
RE: Unconventional opinions - by Sejanus - April 11, 2014 at 3:16 am
RE: Unconventional opinions - by Anomalocaris - April 11, 2014 at 3:24 am
RE: Unconventional opinions - by Sejanus - April 11, 2014 at 3:44 am
RE: Unconventional opinions - by ElDinero - April 11, 2014 at 4:11 am
RE: Unconventional opinions - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - April 11, 2014 at 4:31 am
RE: Unconventional opinions - by Sejanus - April 11, 2014 at 4:41 am
RE: Unconventional opinions - by Anomalocaris - April 11, 2014 at 5:04 am
RE: Unconventional opinions - by sven - April 17, 2014 at 4:19 am
RE: Unconventional opinions - by Chas - April 19, 2014 at 12:09 am
RE: Unconventional opinions - by Ben Davis - April 11, 2014 at 4:46 am
RE: Unconventional opinions - by Sejanus - April 11, 2014 at 5:00 am
RE: Unconventional opinions - by Ben Davis - April 11, 2014 at 5:22 am
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RE: Unconventional opinions - by Ben Davis - April 11, 2014 at 7:41 am
RE: Unconventional opinions - by ElDinero - April 11, 2014 at 8:56 am
RE: Unconventional opinions - by Ben Davis - April 11, 2014 at 9:20 am
RE: Unconventional opinions - by ElDinero - April 11, 2014 at 10:19 am
RE: Unconventional opinions - by Ben Davis - April 11, 2014 at 10:28 am
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RE: Unconventional opinions - by ElDinero - April 11, 2014 at 5:17 am
RE: Unconventional opinions - by BrokenQuill92 - April 11, 2014 at 5:37 am
RE: Unconventional opinions - by Sejanus - April 11, 2014 at 5:40 am
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RE: Unconventional opinions - by ThePinsir - April 11, 2014 at 9:46 am
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RE: Unconventional opinions - by Ben Davis - April 11, 2014 at 10:19 am
RE: Unconventional opinions - by Ryantology - April 12, 2014 at 5:47 am
RE: Unconventional opinions - by Sejanus - April 11, 2014 at 9:53 am
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RE: Unconventional opinions - by KUSA - April 12, 2014 at 8:51 pm
RE: Unconventional opinions - by Ben Davis - April 13, 2014 at 10:42 am
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