(June 6, 2014 at 7:24 pm)mickiel Wrote: Well I do my best. One poster here said he needs more to accept that god is real, I understand that; its not a simple x=y kind of thing; the evidence is empirical in some areas, more visible by experience or personal observation, such as answered prayer or intervention by unseen things, like you should have died in that accident but came away unscratched; or common sense - things which can be independent of specialized knowledge like science, such as Consciousness only can be derived from consciousness, life from life, humans from human and so on.
It makes me sad that this is your best.
Quote:But yet Can god be deduced from a mathematical equation? I tried to show yes, by using the common sense that the universe is designed to be just what it is; every position of the planets around earth had to be exact, especially the distance between it and the sun. No closer no further, it had to be arranged by an arranger, a designer who mathematically deduced those distances; that was labeled as no evidence. I disagreed with that as well.
It's not evidence mostly because its factually wrong; you do realize that the distance of the planets to the sun varies by several million miles during the course of an orbit, as these are not perfectly circular things?
Besides, all you're really saying is "the planets are this way, and because they are this way and not some other way they must have been designed," which could only work if you can somehow establish that the way they are now was a goal state; unless you can actually show that they were meant to end up this way, then we have no reason to believe that. After all, it's possible for this to occur naturally just via physics, and Occam's Razor quickly shaves away any unevidenced god-based claims of their origins.
Quote:Can god be proven by laws? Well yes, gravity, transmutation, polarity, cause and effect, vibration or gestation;
I'm sorry, "transmutation"? Like, alchemy?
Quote: all laws we agree exist, yet the common sense of understanding that laws are formulated by a law giver, even the laws of man, is ignored and even those great laws are being transferred over to being created and put in place by random unorganized occurance and senseless nature, as if those things have creative minds.
The laws of physics are descriptive, not proscriptive. You don't get to ram your designer into the world by misunderstanding what a metaphor is.
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