(June 10, 2014 at 9:05 am)mickiel Wrote:(June 10, 2014 at 12:00 am)Esquilax Wrote:
Mickie, I'll do you an enormous favor by ignoring the utter pretension you've shown over the past few pages and just focus on a couple of arguments in quick succession that caught my attention.
First, in your last reply to me you admit that "I don't know" answers are a legitimate course for us as much as they are for you; doesn't that completely capsize your claim that consciousness couldn't have evolved? Right now, the answer to the question of consciousness, as it is for the origins of the universe, life, and a lot of the other things you've attributed to god, would be better fitted to an "I don't know" answer, from all of us, and that's it. Because the truth is, you don't know the answer to those questions either, you're just pretending you do because you've got a pre-drawn conclusion you want to fit it all into. But now that we're allowing the correct answer- that nobody knows- into this, there's no excuse to be pushing god into those gaps in our knowledge. That's you not playing by the rules you want to set for everyone else.
I don't know the answers to those questions, and neither do you. That's it. Full stop.
Right?
(Be warned, if you say you do know, I'll be expecting an exhaustive, fully explanatory answer from you about how god crafted consciousness, the universe, and life. Because those are "how" questions, and just providing a "what" answer won't do, even if you could support it with evidence, which you haven't so far.)
As to your claims about animals not having consciousness, you're mistaking intelligence for consciousness. Just because animals aren't intelligent enough to speak our language- and hell, that's a bit arrogant of you, expecting that they either speak in a human tongue or they can't communicate at all, isn't it?- doesn't mean they aren't conscious; hell, there are plenty of humans who couldn't tell you half the things in your list for one reason or another, are they not conscious either?
The science demonstrates consciousness: what business do you have outright denying that?
Oh, and I know I said I wouldn't mention it, but please, stop with the poetry. :dodgy:
The request for me to stop the poetry is denied. Now, give me an exhaustive full explinatory reason why animals are conscious.
See links, dummy.