(September 16, 2014 at 5:42 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(September 16, 2014 at 3:57 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Do you understand what unconditional means? Saying that I have to do something in order to achieve salvation is conditional.
I don't care what the Torah calls a miracle and what it doesn't. I'm highlighting the fact that ancient societies from all stripes called just about anything unknown as a 'miracle'. Once science came to understand those phenomena, they stopped being miraculous. There's no reason to jump the shark and apply the miracle label to anything now, seeing how many times that's been proven foolish and inaccurate.
And don't bother trying to pull miracles from the Bible as if they have any merit at all in any way. They're all either demonstrably untrue or unable to be verified at best.
Oh and one last thing, the Torah is not older than ancient Greece. If anything, early ancient Greece is about 200 years older than the Torah. Get your shit straight.
My point was, the Bible makes a distinction between naturally occurring phenomena and miracles, contradicting your argument.
Also Moses is credited with the writing of the Torah, which puts it's age around 1400 bc, that's about 600 years before the Archaic period.
You know Moses dies at the end, right? Did he write that part, too?
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.