The Original Messages of Religion

[Thumpalumpacus]

Were I to show you would you be able to see past your veil? Expecting others to prove things instead of seeking it for yourself, should I tell you and have you believe me what benefit would that do? Should you not look for the information yourself instead of trusting the word of a stranger?

If you really feel that way, why are you posting at all?

I don't agree with your views, that values like courage and wisdom are hidden in religion. Those values are found in people no matter their views.

You're arguing that we're throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Demonstrate you point.

Our father who art in heaven hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven, give us this day, our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us, and lead us not into tempation, but deliver us from evil. Amen.

In the bold parts this prayer often said by Christians venerates not only a god, but also forgiveness and good morality. If you had a slight inclination of what is written in the New Testament it talks of a man who sacrificed himself for the salvation of all humanity.

Firstly, don't talk down to me. It's insulting and won't be tolerated. This is your only warning regarding that rudeness; you will be subject to it yourself if you repeat it with me.

Secondly, forgiveness -- both extending it and asking for it -- aren't exclusive to Christianity, or even the religious among us.

Hail Mary full of Grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed are thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death Amen.

In this Hail Mary there is acknowledgment of sin, and therefore acknowledgment that we are not perfect.

That too doesn't require a religious outlook to discover or accept.

In fact one of the main focuses of Christianity, Islam, and Buddhism is to not sin, a famous quote by the Christian prophet/god is to 'love thy neighbor, as you love thyself' another quote is to 'turn the other cheek' this preaches non-violence when confronted with violence, compassion for our fellow men.

Read your New Testament, hotshot:

34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...thew+10:34

These are all humbling virtues to observe, how could you not know this? These are among the most popular of Christian beliefs and virtues its all in their religion the same you fight against and you you could not see it? These are just the ones I remember from when I was a Catholic, I do not know enough of what Muslim or Buddhism to speak for them but on the surface they hold much of the same virtues.

Your assumption that because I didn't agree with you that religion is required to hold those values, I must be ignorant of those values as espoused by the religious is arrogant and condescending. Perhaps if you come overcome your own foibles this conversation would actually be useful, but I'm not hopeful. Those who think they're bringing answers to the unwashed masses are rarely able to listen half as much as they talk.