Abortion not allowed

[Mister Agenda]

No. There's a distinction to be made between human being and person. Personhood draws in all sorts of other considerations, which is a deliberate attempt to muddy the discussion. That is: sentience, self awareness. Conception is the beginning of the human life cycle. A human is created at that point.

Yes, a human is, but not a human being.

hu·man be·ing
noun
a man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance.

per·son/ˈpərs(ə)n/
noun
1.a human being regarded as an individual.

I'm not the one trying to muddy the discussion.

Mothers with unborn babies that were both killed isn't immoral?

How wouldn't it be immoral? What thought process could possibly guide you reasonably to the idea that I or Esquire wouldn't consider it immoral?

I guess Esq is on Gods side in that judgement then.

Why should either of us consider something wrong merely because believers think God considers something right? Do you suppose our position is to always think the opposite of whatever God is supposed to think? I believe you're capable of deeper thinking than this.

Why is the taking of life always wrong? This is what Esq says.

I doubt you're accurately representing Esquire.

It's ALWAYS wrong. But only sentient life.

See how those two sentences are at odds with each other? Doesn't sound like Esquire. It certainly sounds like you, misrepresenting him though.

Why is that wrong? Why can't it ever be just to take life?

It can be, so...where does that leave your point?

Why is human sentience valued above other animal sentience?

We're wired to care about our fellow humans more than other animals, just like chimps and gorillas are wired to care more about their fellows dying than other animals. That doesn't mean we should. I like moral agency as a divider between what we treat as murder and what we treat as mere killing, but in light of obvious reasons to be biased, I have to wonder whether that is just a cover to justify unfair moral sentiments.

I would agree that humans can't judge any other human... because we simply lack the knowledge to make that decision. God, in having that knowledge, can. Even on a one millisecond old sentient baby.

Or so you imagine.

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Yea a majority of people on this website have sworn at me and said I was a monster because I like the idea of everyone having a chance at life.

I was hoping you were prone to hyperbole rather than outright lying. I am disappoint.