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Rape in the Bible
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RE: Rape in the Bible
(December 2, 2014 at 10:41 am)Nope Wrote: There isn't any way to defend this passage. Religious people can't get around the passage by saying that it is only reporting historical events in a neutral fashion. Obviously, god is telling the Hebrews how to treat female captives.
What makes you think this passage needs a defense?

Quote:Imagine, you are a young woman and have just seen your family slaughtered. The person who might have personally killed your parents, kidnaps you and forces you to be his bride. That would be nightmarish.
It completely depends on who your family was. You people all assume that the people the Jews were told to obliterate were good hard working red blooded folks. Look at al queida and ISIS is it that much of a strech that 4 or 5 thousand years ago there were people a lot worse than anything this current generation could ever hope to produce, and God had the Jew wipe them from the planet so that nations of them numbering in the billions would not infest the earth now?

Just for a moment assume God was good and had an eye on the furture. What if he knew a people with a certain genetic trait or a certain mental disipline would indeed be the destruction of the world? would it not be better to destroy those people before they destroyed everything and everyone else?

Quote:Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

Quote:Again, the Israelites massacred a town and kept the young women for themselves.
Again so what?

Quote:Let's don't forget Lot. When the crowd were demanding to rape the angels, Lot offered his two daughters to be raped. Although the angels prevent the attack, the bible says that Lot was a righteous man
Then also don't forget that "Lot's actions" were not commanded nor supported by the Lord nor his angels. Lot was a confused soul trying to save his lost city from the comming wrath of God.

2 Peter 17

Quote:But God also rescued Lot out of Sodom because he was a righteous man who was sick of the shameful immorality of the wicked people around him.
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2 peter does not go to chapter 17.
here is 2 peter 2:4-11
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; 7 and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked 8 (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)— 9 then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment, 10 and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority. They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries, 11 whereas angels, who are greater in power and might, do not bring a reviling accusation against them before the Lord.
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Rape in the Bible - by Nope - December 2, 2014 at 10:41 am
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Chad32 - December 2, 2014 at 10:52 am
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Nope - December 2, 2014 at 11:03 am
RE: Rape in the Bible - by JonDarbyXIII - December 2, 2014 at 11:01 am
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Chad32 - December 2, 2014 at 11:13 am
RE: Rape in the Bible - by JonDarbyXIII - December 2, 2014 at 11:23 am
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Cato - December 2, 2014 at 12:14 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Nope - December 2, 2014 at 1:05 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by abaris - December 2, 2014 at 1:12 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Nope - December 2, 2014 at 1:39 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by robvalue - December 2, 2014 at 12:15 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Tonus - December 2, 2014 at 12:16 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by robvalue - December 2, 2014 at 12:17 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Chad32 - December 2, 2014 at 12:19 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by abaris - December 2, 2014 at 12:32 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by robvalue - December 2, 2014 at 12:59 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Chad32 - December 2, 2014 at 1:12 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by robvalue - December 2, 2014 at 1:12 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by John V - December 2, 2014 at 1:42 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Cato - December 2, 2014 at 1:45 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Elskidor - December 2, 2014 at 1:56 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by abaris - December 2, 2014 at 2:05 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by JonDarbyXIII - December 2, 2014 at 2:12 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by John V - December 2, 2014 at 2:50 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by abaris - December 2, 2014 at 2:59 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by John V - December 2, 2014 at 3:01 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by abaris - December 2, 2014 at 3:05 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by John V - December 2, 2014 at 3:12 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by abaris - December 2, 2014 at 3:19 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Cato - December 2, 2014 at 3:07 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Chad32 - December 2, 2014 at 3:10 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Thumpalumpacus - December 2, 2014 at 2:07 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by FatAndFaithless - December 2, 2014 at 1:46 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by JonDarbyXIII - December 2, 2014 at 2:07 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Tonus - December 2, 2014 at 2:11 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by LostLocke - December 2, 2014 at 2:17 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Chad32 - December 2, 2014 at 2:04 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by FatAndFaithless - December 2, 2014 at 2:09 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Thumpalumpacus - December 2, 2014 at 2:48 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by robvalue - December 2, 2014 at 2:54 pm
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RE: Rape in the Bible - by LostLocke - December 2, 2014 at 3:01 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by robvalue - December 2, 2014 at 3:02 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Chad32 - December 2, 2014 at 3:15 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by John V - December 2, 2014 at 3:24 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Chad32 - December 2, 2014 at 3:39 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by John V - December 2, 2014 at 3:41 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by JonDarbyXIII - December 2, 2014 at 3:49 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by LostLocke - December 2, 2014 at 3:41 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by John V - December 2, 2014 at 4:06 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by abaris - December 2, 2014 at 4:08 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by John V - December 2, 2014 at 5:03 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Nope - December 2, 2014 at 6:23 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by John V - December 3, 2014 at 8:35 am
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Nope - December 3, 2014 at 8:49 am
RE: Rape in the Bible - by John V - December 3, 2014 at 9:31 am
RE: Rape in the Bible - by LostLocke - December 2, 2014 at 4:15 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Nope - December 2, 2014 at 4:58 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by FatAndFaithless - December 2, 2014 at 3:43 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by John V - December 2, 2014 at 4:59 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by abaris - December 2, 2014 at 3:45 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by robvalue - December 2, 2014 at 3:56 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by abaris - December 2, 2014 at 4:00 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Chad32 - December 2, 2014 at 4:46 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by abaris - December 2, 2014 at 5:01 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by dyresand - December 2, 2014 at 11:06 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Nope - December 3, 2014 at 9:35 am
RE: Rape in the Bible - by John V - December 3, 2014 at 9:57 am
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Nope - December 3, 2014 at 1:37 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by John V - December 3, 2014 at 1:39 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by robvalue - December 3, 2014 at 1:39 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by JonDarbyXIII - December 3, 2014 at 1:45 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Chad32 - December 3, 2014 at 4:14 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by robvalue - December 3, 2014 at 4:35 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by JonDarbyXIII - December 3, 2014 at 4:41 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Chad32 - December 3, 2014 at 4:51 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by FatAndFaithless - December 3, 2014 at 1:49 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Natachan - December 3, 2014 at 1:51 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Tonus - December 3, 2014 at 1:52 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by robvalue - December 3, 2014 at 1:53 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Nope - December 3, 2014 at 1:55 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by FatAndFaithless - December 3, 2014 at 1:56 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Natachan - December 3, 2014 at 1:58 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by FatAndFaithless - December 3, 2014 at 2:01 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by robvalue - December 3, 2014 at 2:02 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Nope - December 3, 2014 at 2:41 pm
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RE: Rape in the Bible - by JonDarbyXIII - December 3, 2014 at 2:36 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by John V - December 3, 2014 at 3:11 pm
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RE: Rape in the Bible - by Chad32 - December 3, 2014 at 5:15 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by JonDarbyXIII - December 3, 2014 at 4:23 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by John V - December 3, 2014 at 4:38 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Nope - December 3, 2014 at 5:59 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by h4ym4n - December 6, 2014 at 1:47 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by FatAndFaithless - December 3, 2014 at 2:43 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Natachan - December 3, 2014 at 2:48 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by The Valkyrie - December 3, 2014 at 2:53 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by JonDarbyXIII - December 3, 2014 at 3:08 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by FatAndFaithless - December 3, 2014 at 4:39 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by John V - December 3, 2014 at 4:45 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by FatAndFaithless - December 3, 2014 at 4:53 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by John V - December 3, 2014 at 4:59 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by abaris - December 3, 2014 at 5:01 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by RobbyPants - December 3, 2014 at 4:44 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by robvalue - December 3, 2014 at 4:44 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by robvalue - December 3, 2014 at 4:55 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by robvalue - December 3, 2014 at 4:57 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by JonDarbyXIII - December 3, 2014 at 4:59 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by FatAndFaithless - December 3, 2014 at 5:01 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by John V - December 3, 2014 at 5:12 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by FatAndFaithless - December 3, 2014 at 5:14 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by John V - December 8, 2014 at 12:16 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by FatAndFaithless - December 8, 2014 at 12:25 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by John V - December 8, 2014 at 12:32 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by FatAndFaithless - December 8, 2014 at 12:34 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by John V - December 8, 2014 at 12:46 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by abaris - December 3, 2014 at 5:16 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by FatAndFaithless - December 3, 2014 at 5:19 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Chad32 - December 3, 2014 at 5:23 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by JonDarbyXIII - December 3, 2014 at 5:27 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by abaris - December 3, 2014 at 5:29 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by JonDarbyXIII - December 3, 2014 at 5:32 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by abaris - December 3, 2014 at 5:43 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by JonDarbyXIII - December 3, 2014 at 5:54 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by abaris - December 3, 2014 at 5:58 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by FatAndFaithless - December 6, 2014 at 1:49 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by robvalue - December 6, 2014 at 1:51 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Chad32 - December 6, 2014 at 1:53 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by robvalue - December 6, 2014 at 2:01 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by Chad32 - December 6, 2014 at 2:07 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by robvalue - December 6, 2014 at 2:34 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by FatAndFaithless - December 8, 2014 at 12:47 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by John V - December 8, 2014 at 12:58 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by FatAndFaithless - December 8, 2014 at 1:05 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by LastPoet - December 8, 2014 at 1:06 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by John V - December 8, 2014 at 1:32 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by LastPoet - December 8, 2014 at 12:50 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by FatAndFaithless - December 8, 2014 at 12:53 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by FatAndFaithless - December 8, 2014 at 1:10 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by FatAndFaithless - December 8, 2014 at 1:36 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by John V - December 8, 2014 at 1:43 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by FatAndFaithless - December 8, 2014 at 1:47 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by John V - December 8, 2014 at 2:07 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by abaris - December 8, 2014 at 2:10 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by robvalue - December 8, 2014 at 1:51 pm
RE: Rape in the Bible - by FatAndFaithless - December 8, 2014 at 2:08 pm

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