(December 11, 2010 at 1:35 am)AngelThMan Wrote: Hey y'all, I'm back. Been swamped. But I never forgot about my peeps here and the pile of unanswered replies I have on this thread.WOW ! OH, HI ! But if you return I must also return !
You know, I am the dreaded Regens Küchl. Your old Nemesis, your dark Mirrorimage, your spectacular enemy in the realm of religion !
I am to you exactly like the Green Goblin is to Spiderman !
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(December 11, 2010 at 1:35 am)AngelThMan Wrote: I'll start with Entropist...Oh no, but this is so poor. Please, you have to promise me to try to do better from now on. This here is extreme garbage even from a Xian
As I said on another post, Good things can happen to unbelievers, and bad things can happen to Christians. This does not disprove the existence of God, or the power of prayer.
You pointed to the 9/11 disaster to demonstrate that prayer doesn't work, since there must've been many Christians among those who died. But you're failing to acknowledge that while many people died, many others also got away. And no, I don't believe everyone that got out did so because they prayed. But God answered those who did pray. And others, including non-believers, got out because their time on this earth wasn't up.
I can tell you that some 12 members from one church in New Jersey who were supposed to be at the World Trade Center on the morning of 9/11 never made it for one reason or another. Some were out sick, others didn't make it because of car trouble, etc. God has many ways of saving and protecting his people.
So here's how it breaks down:
Thousands of believers got out of the WTC because they prayed.
Others were protected by God, because he didn't allow them to even get to the towers that morning.
Of the believers that died, some, as you put it, may have not been true Christians.
Others may have been true Christians, but prayed without faith. Even if a person is a good Christian, praying without faith will yield no results.
And of course there's the many believers who didn't take time to pray as they were too horrified.
I'm assuming that some atheists and unbelievers got out safely as well, but that's because their time on this earth wasn't up. The algorithm in God's work is very complex, and he sometimes uses unbelievers for his own reasons and purposes.
Being a Christian does not put you in some sort of untouchable club. It's having true faith that will keep you protected. This is God's promise. However, if God feels that your time on this earth is up, then your time on this earth is up.