Evidence God Exists

[Frank]

Forgive me for not having read all 9 pages of this topic.

My view; seeking evidence for God, to me, shows weakness of faith.

Even that statement is itself a manmade dilemma (with no basis in reality). We invent a concept, god, then we say the further one departs from rational thinking in believing in this concept the bigger the reward he can expect. We even give this assault on common sense and reason a name - "faith" (the more of it we have the better).

Apparently heaven will be filled with fools, and all the smart people will go to hell.

If you are truely confident in your heart that God exsists, why do you have to seek evidence for this in nature? Why are you weary of those who profess to know otherwise? Can't you just sit back, safe in the knowledge of there being a God, and let other people arrive at their own conclusions?

Of course they can't. They insist everyone else in the world think exactly like them, and the hell with common sense and decency. Religiosity is intellectual inferiority. This doesn't mean the religious lack the intellectual capacity to become smart, it just means they're not smart yet.

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Bombing them might not be enough. As long as there is a resistance there will be more bloodshed. Just look at how long this war has being going on. Almost every day I hear of another lost soldier. I have been hearing of bodies coming back for years now. The enemy isn't just over there but here as well. London bombings?

Indeed you're probably right, but bombing the daylights out of Iran is probably our best option right now, assuming diplomacy or sanctions don't work (again not only their nuclear facilities, but we must also destroy their military bases, tanks, fighter planes, satellites, submarines, naval ships, revolutionary guard facilities, intelligence assets and facilities, and whatever other military asset they own that we can reach through bombing). The worse thing we could do is a little surgical strike (like hitting a hornets nest with a twig, it's guaranteed to piss them off, and still leave them with plenty of capacity to reek havoc in the mid east and perhaps beyond). If we hit Iran we need to cut off its balls.

But this fight is an Air Force & Navy fight. Boots on the ground in Iran would be crazy (that's a no win situation). At the same time we have to bomb them mercilessly, for weeks, maybe months. Bottom line, the Iranian people are smart enough to know their leaders are a bunch of lunatics, yet they all (or virtually all) vigorously support the governments action with regard to developing nuclear weapon technology. So we shouldn't feel bad about doing what we have to do (notwithstanding the situation in Iran right now & of course I empathize with those trying to fight for more freedoms, but bottom line we can't let madmen have nuclear warheads, period).

When we're done Iran should be left with virtually no military capacity. Again hopefully it can be accomplished without any ground forces (preferrably not even armor assets, but that may be wishful thinking on my part). Obviously there will be fallout; but if Iran ever resorted to terrorism or supported terrorism as a tactic, then it would be state sanctioned (or orchestrated) terrorism (and we could retaliate against exceedingly more valuable assets until they completely capitulate). When we finally take the gloves off - we'll discover it's Iran whose in the no win situation (not us); but it would be immensely helpful from a public relations standpoint to have Arab allies in this thing (even if only token allies).

Now that large wars are not possible unless you wish to send yourself to the cave age. We are forced to fight many small wars instead. Which also mean conflicts lasts longer. A major war could mean a war will only last a few short years but at the cost of millions of lives. Small conflicts mean far lower casulties but takes far longer to end.

True, and unfortunately there's only so much we can do to protect ourselves. We've done plenty already, but there will always be holes in our security terrorists will eventually learn how to exploit. Moreover, without surrendering significant freedom (which I'm not willing to do) there's only so much we can do; but life is full of risks, and we can't mitigate against everything. We have to live with a certain amount of risk?