RE: Evidence God Exists
April 27, 2010 at 3:03 pm
(This post was last modified: April 27, 2010 at 3:05 pm by tavarish.)
(April 27, 2010 at 12:46 pm)AngelThMan Wrote:(April 26, 2010 at 1:23 pm)lukec Wrote: Ok cool so your evidence, right or wrong, is that humans are now the dominant species?As a theistic evolutionist, I believe in God as well as evolution. While evolution alone can explain our intelligence to the degree of survival (as in early man), it cannot explain intelligence to the degree that it ultimately developed into (as in modern man).
But this could also have occurred through evolution so... how is this evidence for god?
Then you have no idea how evolution works and obviously don't understand how qualities of intelligence can be beneficial for the survival of a species. Not every variation is some thing detrimental or beneficial. Some developments are very much formed as a byproduct of an increasing brainmass and a better understanding of concepts such as consciousness and community.
(April 27, 2010 at 12:46 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: Since everything that happens in evolution is geared towards the survival of a species, then how is sapient and sentient intelligence necessary for our survival? In other words, how is the ability to develop art, science, technology, etc. an evolutionary necessity? Other primates have survived without it, as did early man.
I addressed this long, long ago, at the start of this thread.
(April 27, 2010 at 12:46 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: So how is this evidence God exists? To be able to gauge my theory, you need to consider all these different points at once...
That's not how you "gauge" theories. You need to approach each facet on its own, and see how it ties in with the rest. You can't mash everything together and hope it fits - that's not how science works.
(April 27, 2010 at 12:46 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: 1. We are the only species equipped with this special intelligence. If sapient and sentient intelligence were just a result of evolution, why didn't at least 1 other of the millions of species on this earth, including close primates, develop it?
MANY other species have varying degrees of intelligence. The reason others didn't develop it is because their environments did not demands it. Different environment = different rules of survival. It seems you can't understand that for speciation to happen, there HAVE to be specific traits and changes to the genetic code. Every single species on the planet is unique and has unique traits that distinguish it from every other thing.
(April 27, 2010 at 12:46 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: 2. We are the only species provided opposable thumbs.
Which is flat out wrong.
Most primates (humans, apes, and Old World monkeys) and some other animals have opposable thumbs. Humans can move their thumb farther across their hand than any other primate.
http://www3.nsta.org/main/news/stories/s...y_ID=49036
It also has a nice paragraph about how thumbs are adaptations, and not "provided" to us.
(April 27, 2010 at 12:46 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: 3. The above features affords us an incredible advantage over all other species (i.e. we enjoy dominion on the planet).
This has been convered extensively and yet you still stick your head in the sand and try to regurgitate the same tired argument.
Do we have dominion over microorganisms? Weather? How about meteor strike?
(April 27, 2010 at 12:46 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: 4. We are the only species that can follow God, and are therefore given the above advantages.
We are also the only species that has demonstrated to believe that a Sun God is responsible for rain, and demands blood sacrifice. Does that make the Sun God real?
(April 27, 2010 at 12:46 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: 5. What I've outlined here corroborates the bible's assertion that God created man in his image, and that animals are inferior. (It's important to note that these things were written in the bible in completely different contexts. In other words, no one was using them to prove that because we have intelligence there's a God.)
And this is why you can't be called an evolutionist, as there is no ladder. It's not a final product we've reached as a species, there is no "superior", as you're not applying the term to anything and just putting it out there like it means anything. We are evolving as we speak.
Second, saying "we are the only species that can follow God" then going on to say "it corroborates the bible's assertion that man is made in God's image" is circular reasoning. You make a broken assumption that he exists, then build upon that assumption with a self-validating book that asserts he exists. There's no verification involved.
Humans are intelligent because God exists because it's stated in the Bible because only humans can follow God because humans are intelligent...
and round and round...
(April 27, 2010 at 12:46 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: 6. The Neanderthal is extinct, perhaps another sign we are the only species meant to have our brand of intelligence.
The dodo is extinct, perhaps that's a sign that God didn't like dodos.
(April 27, 2010 at 12:46 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: If you consider all these points, you may be able to detect an intelligent design.
The only thing I detect is a bunch of circular reasoning bullshit.