RE: Christians, where does your allegiance lie? - Jesus Christ or Bible
February 10, 2015 at 12:18 pm
(February 10, 2015 at 11:30 am)Esquilax Wrote:(February 10, 2015 at 8:47 am)Drich Wrote: Yes..
Define all knowing.
Now is it possible to 'learn something' if one is all knowing?
First of all, Jesus was not all knowing:
Matthew 24:36 Wrote:But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
And in Mark 5:30, Jesus asks a question for which he doesn't know the answer, and when he isn't supplied an answer, he looks for one. So the basis of what you're saying is flat out wrong.
Second of all, an all knowing person could certainly change their position on something; they still have a personality, after all, and that's mutable over time. There's no reason an omniscient person couldn't grow and mature. And if Jesus couldn't learn something, then he's certainly not all powerful. Therein lies the trilemma theodicy attempts to solve.
Mark 5:30 Jesus immediately felt power go out from him, so he stopped and turned around. “Who touched my clothes?” he asked.
31 The followers said to Jesus, “There are so many people pushing against you. But you ask, ‘Who touched me?’”
32 But Jesus continued looking for the one who touched him. 33 The woman knew that she was healed, so she came and bowed at Jesus’ feet. She was shaking with fear. She told Jesus the whole story. 34 He said to her, “Dear woman, you are made well because you believed. Go in peace. You will not suffer anymore.”
This is like a parent seeing an empty bag of cookies on the table, and a child with cookie bits all over his mouth and cloths, and the parent asking 'Who ate the cookies.' Christ here was looking for accountablity from the woman who suffered so much she was afraid to ask for fear she maybe turned away. Otherwise why look in a situation like that if you don't know what the outcome would be? Not finding the woman would cause far greater damage to Him, and who He was to be.
Aside from this your right in that Jesus nor the Spirit knows when the last day will be. Yet they are still God. Again God is a title and not a Name. Meaning Those who hold that title are collectivly 'all knowing.' As such would have written the bible to include any 'changes' Scripturally of Christ if any were to be made.
Rather the bible says the oppsite. In that one is comming claiming to be Christ who is different from the Christ of the bible. The bible warns us of him and tells us not to follow him.