(August 9, 2015 at 11:11 am)Nestor Wrote:(August 9, 2015 at 2:51 am)Little Rik Wrote: There is anything thing that really die and disappear in this universe?
If you study physics you should know that nothing die or disappear so why the consciousness
should die and disappear?
By the way the consciousness is not made of matter like the brain so how can something
abstract can be killed?
Quote:Uh, yeah, there are things that "really die and disappear." That's why it's called death. Pythagoras... really dead. Cecil the lion... really dead. Plants, animals, and even people really do die (go to a cemetery and try speaking with them if you don't believe me)! Like anything that changes, life and death are a process of change, analogous to buildings that crumble and are there no longer: have you seen the Forum in ancient Rome lately? "Where did it go?" you might ask yourself. Or take memories, which fade and are forever forgotten. Where are they? Yesterday sinks into the oblivion of the past. Can you get that back? No. Why? Because these are all different kinds of death, and have dissolved and changed into other things. Like others have said, the generation and destruction of these various modes of being have nothing to do with the conservation of mass and energy - that is not lost just because the structures they form are. I don't have the slightest clue how it is that abstract objects, or the sensation of being a unique individual, are borne from the mechanisms of a brain, but I see neither reason nor possibility for suggesting that these can persist "out there," in the world, when the only knowledge and experience of them is "in here," and "in here," as in the case of time preceding one's birth, is nowhere, nada, nil.
You are making a hell of a confusion mate.
All your points are build on guessing and guessing alone.
Physical death is no evidence that YOU die.
First of all you should consider that body-brain and consciousness
can be separate and will separate as soon as the parallelism between
body and consciousness is over.
If you go along with the theory that when the body die is all over then
you may well think that when your car rot away you rot away as well.
This sort of believes belong to the stone age not to this age of knowledge.
Quote:Mine is a believe not a claim.
My believe is that there is a very good reason why we can't remember our previous lives.
In this life we find difficult, annoying and frustration to think about our past mistakes and
bad thing that we have done.
At times we just think that would be better if we never done certain things but is too late.
The problem however is that we just can't get rid from our mind these things from the past.
It is a burden to us.
Now just imagine if on the top of our mistakes in this life we also have to deal with mistakes from previous lives and lives before that.
It would be an absolute hell that is why we are prevented from remember anything from previous lives.
Someone understand the problem therefore this entity prevent us from remembering.
Quote:What's the difference between a belief and a claim? That we can disregard the former as a statement empty of epistemic content, and symptomatic of ignorance and superstition, while the latter purports to be derived from a sound basis in the facts of experience and supportable by demonstration or testable hypotheses? Okay then, fine, I agree.
Your previous life? Did you drink from the River of Forgetfulness after passing the throne of Lady Necessity and the Plane of Oblivion as in Plato's Myth of Er too?
My believes are based on results.
Suppose someone tell you......IF YOU DO SUCH A THING YOU WILL GET SUCH RESULT.
I did that thing and i got that result so i believe that by doing that thing the result will be
as was indicated to me.
Why i do not do the claim then?
Because the matter in question is not physical where the evidence must be physical.
Here we are in the real of spirituality and the evidence obviously is not physical.
Atheism is based on matter but matter has really nothing to do with something much
higher and more subtle.