RE: Theists - how certain are you that a God exists?
August 1, 2015 at 12:28 am
(This post was last modified: August 1, 2015 at 12:46 am by ktrap.)
(July 30, 2015 at 11:03 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:(July 30, 2015 at 10:56 pm)ktrap Wrote: Look in the mirror and ask yourself, "Do I come from nothing?"
That's your evidence? Bitch, please.
Don't know about you, but I came from two parents. Your gawd had nothing whatsoever to do with it.
That is very shallow, you are unable to go beyond one generation to figure out where you came from?
(July 31, 2015 at 12:41 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:(July 30, 2015 at 10:56 pm)ktrap Wrote: Look in the mirror and ask yourself, "Do I come from nothing?"
And the answer is yeah, I'm pretty sure I do. I'm also pretty sure everything else does, too. Physicists are starting to agree with me, actually.
See, antimatter is definitely a real thing, it just doesn't occur naturally in very many places in the Universe because the moment you add it to regular matter, they annihilate each other and create nothing. Physicists are now exploring the possibility that the same process can be done in reverse, getting us remarkably close to a scientific explanation for an origin of all matter and energy from nothing.
And if we come from nothing and will return to nothing, what's so bad about that? Why do you have such a hard time believing it?
Then you believe in "Spontaneous Creation" ?
(July 31, 2015 at 2:11 am)Whateverist the White Wrote:(July 30, 2015 at 10:50 pm)ktrap Wrote: First Atheist I found to be consistent. Either it exists or it doesn't (1 or 0). Therefore the probability of Alien Life is not any better than the probability for God if you are an atheist. For me as a theist God exists and Alien Life can exist even if no evidence of it is at hand. I have more respect for an Atheist who draws conclusions consistently even though I may disagree with them.
While Cato's criteria for signing off on either one in any particular case may be the same, the arguments which can be made for thinking there must be life else where in the universe totally kicks the ass of any 'argument' in favor of the existence of gods.
For starters, it doesn't appear that the number and variety of elements in other planetary systems in our galaxy or across the galaxies are much different from those found in our own. It is reasonable to assume that from the same starting conditions similar results will follow.
I am sure you have heard of the "Drake Equation". It basically estimates the number of planets that are inhabitable (having similar conditions like earth). At one point the number is pretty large, but then the number got smaller because some astronomers and other scientists felt the distance of the planet should in the Goldilock zone (somewhere between venus and mars). Then even if there are planets that meet that criteria, still there is no guarantee Life will evolve on the planet if certain conditions are not met (no biological evolution). This brings the estimate down even more. How are you assuming there is more chance of Alien Life then God existence?
