RE: Theists - how certain are you that a God exists?
August 3, 2015 at 11:34 am
(This post was last modified: August 3, 2015 at 11:39 am by ktrap.)
(August 1, 2015 at 10:08 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:(August 1, 2015 at 12:28 am)ktrap Wrote: That is very shallow, you are unable to go beyond one generation to figure out where you came from?
I really don't think my grand parents were involved. If they were...
Ewwwww!
You didn't ask for a genealogy dip-shit. You asked where I came from (more precisely, told me to ask myself). From my parents is the simplest, most direct answer. Got a problem with that? Call someone who gives a shit.
So, you gonna pony up some actual evidence or are you going to (like damned near every theist I've seen around here) stick to personal testimony, logical fallacies and tons of bullshit?
Sorry that I did not elaborate for you. I would of thought most would have understood the question. Let me make it easy for the challenged. Please tell us how you got here starting from big bang to now?
(August 1, 2015 at 10:20 am)IATIA Wrote:(July 31, 2015 at 7:01 pm)ktrap Wrote: But is God created? No, God is the first cause. Well how is that possible? It's possible because one of God's attributes is infinity (an infinite being) and infinity has no beginning and no end, therefore God is the first cause.
If god has been around for an 'infinity', then we would not be here as an infinite amount of time has not passed, nor ever will.
If god is placed 'outside' time, then our universe must be outside time as well.
If both are outside time, then there is no causality and everything just 'is'.
Without time god could not create the universe because there was no 'before there was a universe'.
Is time some atomic (or subatomic) particle? How can time even come into the equation without an observer to measure it. Therefore, first you need an observer and then time can begin, not the other way around. In the case of the creation of the universe God existed prior to it in order for time to start. And as I said before God is infinite and has infinite amount of time. According to General Relativity time is relative not absolute. The creation of the universe is on a different clock than God's own, that is why time can exist outside this universe.
