(August 3, 2015 at 11:34 am)ktrap Wrote:(August 1, 2015 at 10:20 am)IATIA Wrote: If god has been around for an 'infinity', then we would not be here as an infinite amount of time has not passed, nor ever will.
If god is placed 'outside' time, then our universe must be outside time as well.
If both are outside time, then there is no causality and everything just 'is'.
Without time god could not create the universe because there was no 'before there was a universe'.
Is time some atomic (or subatomic) particle? How can time even come into the equation without an observer to measure it. Therefore, first you need an observer and then time can begin, not the other way around. In the case of the creation of the universe God existed prior to it in order for time to start. And as I said before God is infinite and has infinite amount of time. According to General Relativity time is relative not absolute. The creation of the universe is on a different clock than God's own, that is why time can exist outside this universe.
Time is measurement of causality. If you have a god, then you have a whole bunch of illogical positions.
What initiated god? What initiated god's first thought? What initiated god's desire? What initiated god's action? Now we have causality which leads to infinite regression. What was god doing before all of this? More infinite regression. God just cannot exist. With causality comes infinite regression. Without causality, it just is. No need for a god, because all just is.
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-- Homer Simpson
God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
