Hello, i am a real Christian

[True Christian]

Good on you! I can appreciate picking up a second language can be tricky, just remember your studies do come first. Some atheist crowds can be very fun to hang out with just as much as some theists brighten up your day, but please don't let the quest for knowledge distract you from, erm… knowledge!

Now with regards to assumptions, you're being called out on that merely because it's irrelevant to your argument for religion, no single person can speak for or claim to represent everyone here. I don't speak for all atheists; likewise you don't speak for all theists which is why we can never afford to be complacent around each other.

When you have the time, what I'd like to see from you is a compiled list of benefits to mankind religion has provided throughout recorded history, however to have a debate these benefits listed (in no particular order) have to be exclusive to said religion and not found and/or accomplished anywhere else through other secular means.


I see where you're coming from with regards to the concept of Yahweh. I feel the need to ask you about your concept though. Do you believe God in both Testaments is immutable? In other words the idea that God's nature cannot and does not change?

I don't claim to know what all atheist think, it is just that the accusation saying i was avoiding the real questions shows a kind of behavior that i have seen before, the behavior i described, which is "im right, everything you say and do is wrong, because im right".

I should really make a list of the benefits of religion, however the part about "no secular means" makes no sense, as i have said before. Because all of the wrongdoings of religion can and have been performed outside religion. Pedophilia, genocide, wars, discrimination, none of those are only included in religion.

However there is one thing religion has done that could not be achieved by secular means: throughout the Middle Ages, there was relative peace in Europe (and i do mean relative) thanks to the higher authority of the Church. Lords hesitated to engage in conflicts because they were scared of excommunication (is that the right word ?).

I guess Yahwe, as a character that has known no evolution in texts in thousands of years, is immutable just like Gulliver or Zeus or any other character.

As for God (by that i mean the real God), since he is eternal, i guess his nature is eternal as well.