(May 3, 2010 at 6:12 am)True Christian Wrote: Some see "religion has done good things" and instantly attack me as saying that religion hasn't done bad things, something i never claimed, without ever thinking about whether or not religion has actually done some good. Some see "Church" and "divine" together and immediately attack me for saying that what everyone believes is the truth, something i never claimed.
I think the problem is that the Church(es) like to show themselves as being holier-than-thou and only being made of light, and they don't like to admit to being down in the mud. After all, the crusades were pretty shitty things to do to the then existing inhabitants of the "holy lands". The diplomatic thing would have been to approach the rulers of these lands and say, hey, these lands are holy to us, would you mind like, if our people could have free passage to make pilgrmiages to the holy sites... you could even open tourist shops en-route, and after all, we do worship the same god, just a small difference about prophets.... no, war was much for interesting for the church.
So, basically, people here are indeed only to willing to point out that the church is not as good as it likes to think.
The church has done many good things in its history, and so have non-religious people and organizations. However, in terms of pure evil and pain and suffering caused I think the catholic church rival Microsoft!!! hock: And this does not actually cover the evil of teaching people they are sinners and will go to hell if they do not follow the rules of the church... not very nice at all.
People believing in (and worshiping) supernatural deities is a personal choice which I can accept even while I laugh. Organized religions on the other hand are no laughing matter and I believe that the human race would be much better off without them.
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