(May 6, 2010 at 4:36 am)tackattack Wrote: 1. Don't forget the holy wars, dark ages, the inquisition, Hui Minorities' War, the 30 years war, Hitler, ritual suicides and human sacrifices, etc. Or are you going to target only one or 2 religions. Modern Paganism, buddhism, shinto, Din-i-Ilahi, Confucianism, Bön, Māori religion, non-denominational Christianity, etc. are all religions that I believe teach tolerance of others and haven't started any wars, done any ritualistic killlings, mutilate their genitals, or hold child molestation seminars. Let me ask, is it fanatacism and intolerance you want to abolish or religion?
It doesn't follow that all of those things are necessarily due to fanaticism. While religion can harbor fanaticism, its foul acts aren't perpetrated solely by a ragtag bunch of nutjobs. Religion allows these ideologies to grow, and employs doctrines that are absolutely immoral in a secular and civilized society. When a group promotes bigoted doctrines, such as any of the Abrahamic religions, it should be taken seriously, and not brushed off as a misinterpretation of the group's tenets.
I can go on in detail about how all of the religions you listed strove for political control and influence, just as well as any other religion to fulfill their own agendas. I'll try and dig up the thread for you, I have it saved somewhere.
(May 6, 2010 at 4:36 am)tackattack Wrote: 2. I'm not knocking on science, I love innovation and scienific principles. Just as the bible thumpers could use a lot less holier-than-thou attitudes; A lot of atheists I've spoken with could use anti-supr-smarmy pills. The world doesn't need religion to behave, but I'm not just going to throw it away.
Why not?
(May 6, 2010 at 4:36 am)tackattack Wrote: If we threw away all religions based off of small groups or singular people misguiding others against the doctrine's of their religion, why not get rid of the entirety of the house and senate.
1. Yes, reform is needed in politics. We have too many crooked politicians.
2. The fanatics are not reacting in spite of their doctrine, but as a direct result of it. That's the problem. When a person blows himself up on a crowded street because his Holy Book commands him to destroy those who don't submit to the will of Allah, he's not acting on his own accord - he's performing a moral action in regards to his religion.
(May 6, 2010 at 4:36 am)tackattack Wrote: By percentage, I'd wager there was a lot more corruption in Govt. than in the entirety of religion.
Define corruption.
(May 6, 2010 at 4:36 am)tackattack Wrote: 3. Do you mind citing some references for your statement "It's no secret that the least religious nations are doing the best economically and developmentally" and "they give more to charities than their more religious counterparts." I'd like to do some of the reading on that.
Human Development IndexMore than half of the top 10 are highly secularized, Norway leads.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index
GDP per capita: (More than half of the top 10 countries have growing and majority non-believer populations)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cou...per_capita
Giving to charities:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-3526-pos...l#pid66931