Hello, i am a real Christian

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1a-I'm not brushing off any of the deeds of generations past. I'm correcting your interpretation of Christianity. My denomination does not teach bigotry or intolerance. I am Christian so it factors hugely into my definition of Christianity. Try and see it from my perspective. Churches I've been to, even of different denominations, all abhor the Church that goes to schools and boycotts homosexuality. That's just one example. You say I'm brushing aside past occurences. I'm saying your attribting all of the publicized bad to the entirety of the whole. See my German comment above.

Here's the issue. Every religious person thinks their church does no wrong, spreads no intolerance, and it's always the other ones that are morally corrupt.

Here's a small reality check. Christian doctrine is bigoted and intolerant. Having the idea that someone will burn for eternity for believing something different than you, and having it completely justified is extremely judgmental, not to mention grossly intolerant. Having the audacity to say your book holds the answers to mankind's most pertinent questions when there are many more where that came from, is absolutely disingenuous. Making the claim that someone sacrificed himself FOR you as a sort of payment for things you haven't done is seriously corrupt.

Christianity actively convinces people (and is quite good at it) that you are unclean and need a savior - the religion allegedly preaches love but the Bible teaches the contrary, that the worst thing anyone can ever do is blaspheme or deny the one true God, a God who made you knowing your nature, but hates what you've become and loves you enough that he sent himself down as a blood sacrifice to himself to put you in some kind of binding contract when fulfilled, will culminate with an eternity of servitude and praise to the one who did all of this.

Of course, there are churches that cherry pick their beliefs. Most of them do, because you can't all be biblical literalists and expect people to go along with it without strife, but this has nothing to do with the tenets of its doctrine or the highly intolerant practices it has justified directly (not necessarily indirectly).

1b- I doubt you'll convince me with any references that the entirety is ever wholey or equally responsible for the actions of the part. I don't doubt someone somewhere in the religions have sought power, it's a natural human compulsion (and we're all human), but attribute it to personal accountability and stop blaming the whole for things obviously in contradiction with the teaching of that belief.

Here's the issue. I do attribute it to personal accountability, and the chain goes all the way back to the founders of the religion. The point I was making is that religion is mainly a means of control, not necessarily of personal enlightenment, even though it may seem that way from the inside of the circle.

Accountability doesn't just stop with the "extremists" because they interpret something differently than you.

2-Firstly, Suicide is forbidden.

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"O ye who believe!... [do not] kill yourselves, for truly Allah has been to you Most Merciful. If any do that in rancour and injustice, soon shall We cast him into the Fire..." (Qur'an 4:29-30).

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It's not suicide if you're a martyr, which is exactly what they are. This is one of the highest honors a Muslim can have.

Qur'an (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Qur'an (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."

Qur'an (2:207) - "And there is the type of man who gives his life to earn the pleasure of Allah..."

and mass murder even for retalition is forbidden as well.

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This practice was directly forbidden in the Qur'an (2:178-179). Following this statement of law, the Qur'an says, "After this, whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave chastisement" (2:178).

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Unless it's for the infidel.

2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.

2:216 Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.

5:33 The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom.

so an obvious misinerpretation happened somewhere.

On your part perhaps.

I'm pretty sure most of the mulims I know don't interpret the Qur'an the same was as the Jihadists.

Because they also embrace secular values. Most Muslims is Western countries also don't condone Sharia Law, but it doesn't mean it's not part of the Islamic doctrine. Just because those who kill in the name of Allah are small in number, it doesn't mean they're interpreting the book incorrectly. When a book calls for the killing of the unbeliever, it's pretty clear what message it's sending. Most people don't because it conflicts their own moral values - not ones dictated by a holy book.

I agree that fanatacism and closed-minded interpretaion without a system of balance is definately a recipe for disaster every time. Do you condemn all Muslims for the acts of the fanatics?

No. I condemn the religion for its doctrine. What people do as a result of that doctrine is a harmful byproduct.

3-corruption - motives that lead to the the act of illegal or unlawful practices I guess.

Unlawful in what sense? You can be operating under God's Law and break the laws of the land, and vice versa. Therein lies my point. What side are you standing on to make the distinction of corruption?

4-Thanks for the reading.. I'l close this out and talk about that later.. this post is long enough.

No prob.