(August 28, 2015 at 8:42 am)lkingpinl Wrote: Christians often ignore the fact the Jesus talked more about Hell than any other. He mentions it frequently and drew many metaphors about how it is an eternal separation from God.We must also not forget that There is no mention of hell in the Old Testament. Some translations use the word hell but if you look in a linear bible you will note that the original word is just talking about the grave, not the place of torment. Jesus was an apocalyptic Jew and taught concepts that you won't find among the prophets like the bosom of Abraham and the resurrection. think I'm wrong, then show me in the Ot examples of a general resurrection. Remember David said if he descended to hell god would be there, then someone else said there is no remembrance of god in the grave. The Bible is such that anybody who finds support for anything can be accused of cherry picking by anyone who finds support for the opposite view.
You are cherry picking just as you accuse Christians of doing. Read everything in its context.
In Matthew 15, there is an incident that, at first, seems to confirm the idea that Jesus came only for the Jews. Jesus was traveling through Tyre and Sidon, a Gentile region, and “a Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, ‘Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly’” (Matthew 15:22). This Gentile woman recognized Jesus as the Messiah (“Son of David”), but “Jesus did not answer a word” (verse 23). As the woman kept up her appeals, Jesus finally responded, but His words seemed to hold little hope: “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel” (verse 24). However, the woman did not give up, and Jesus eventually granted her request, based on her “great faith” (verse 28).
The fact that Jesus helped the Canaanite woman, even though His mission was to the Jews, is a significant detail in the Gospel narrative. Throughout His earthly ministry, Jesus gave other indications that His power and compassion reached to all people. He healed a Roman centurion’s servant (Luke 7:1–10). He traveled through the Gentile region of the Gerasenes (Mark 5:1). He ministered in a Samaritan city (John 4).
Jesus came to save everybody (1 John 2:2). Jesus Christ is God Himself (John 1:1). Jesus died on the cross as the payment for all our sins, and He rose from death in resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:3–4). Jesus said He was the Good Shepherd, and He predicted that His flock would be greatly expanded: “I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen
to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd” (John 10:16).
The Canaanite woman tells us nothing of Jesus view toward gentiles. He called them dogs and told his disciples not to give the dogs what belongs to the children. He told his disciples that the reason he spoke in parables was so that they who were without would not be able to understand him and repent and be forgiven. I'm not a Jew nor a gentile so I know he would consider me to be an outsider and hide from me the knowledge that would lead me to forgiveness. No matter what you say, I've already read what he said, or at least what the biblical writers said he said.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
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Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
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I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.