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Why do Christians become Christians?
RE: Why do Christians become Christians?
(May 16, 2016 at 4:13 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: And if you did remember differently as I had asked in the original question?   Which are you going to go with then (your memory or science)?

Well, I would be extremely skeptical (to put it nicely) of any evidence presented to me by a prosecutor. They don't seem to know the meaning of selection bias, when it comes to evaluating scientific data and applying scientific methodology to the "evidence" system of courtrooms. Sometimes, perhaps even usually, it's not even deliberate, just the natural consequence of their perspective... as the saying goes:"when the only tool you've got is a hammer, pretty soon everything starts to look like a nail". I would demand a fairly exhaustive version of peer review of the methods employed, independently tested, and personally reviewed to my own satisfaction. There may simply be a better explanation for what the data seem to show, and my skepticism could keep me from pleading guilty to something I do not recall simply because I believed the person wearing the "rose-colored glasses" with respect to my guilt.

But yes, if everything was solidly proved by unassailable means, then I would go with science over my own memory. Humans are fallible. I am no different. And there are many ways that our own minds can play tricks on us. But by doing everything in our power to eliminate bias, especially by skeptical review by independent sources that are not sympathetic to us or our preformed mindset, we can have a much higher degree of confidence in the accuracy of the information.

I would, as I said, acknowledge that I have no memory of the crime, plead No Contest (since I cannot answer the evidence for the charges but cannot actually profess my own guilt from my own memory), and hope that the Court would be fair.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost

I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.

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Why do Christians become Christians? - by SteveII - May 5, 2016 at 6:05 pm
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by abaris - May 5, 2016 at 6:12 pm
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by SteveII - May 6, 2016 at 10:19 am
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by abaris - May 6, 2016 at 10:30 am
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by SteveII - May 6, 2016 at 11:15 am
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by SteveII - May 6, 2016 at 11:39 am
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by SteveII - May 6, 2016 at 12:30 pm
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by Chad32 - May 5, 2016 at 6:31 pm
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by Athene - May 5, 2016 at 7:25 pm
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by dyresand - May 5, 2016 at 10:21 pm
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by Foxaèr - May 5, 2016 at 11:22 pm
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by SteveII - May 6, 2016 at 10:13 am
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by SteveII - May 6, 2016 at 11:17 am
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by SteveII - May 6, 2016 at 11:38 am
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by dyresand - May 6, 2016 at 11:47 am
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by SteveII - May 6, 2016 at 10:35 am
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by SteveII - May 6, 2016 at 12:25 pm
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by SteveII - May 6, 2016 at 10:11 am
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by dyresand - May 6, 2016 at 10:18 am
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by robvalue - May 6, 2016 at 11:23 am
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by robvalue - May 6, 2016 at 11:42 am
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by drfuzzy - May 6, 2016 at 11:53 am
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by Aroura - May 6, 2016 at 11:59 am
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by SteveII - May 6, 2016 at 12:35 pm
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by Aroura - May 6, 2016 at 1:27 pm
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by brewer - May 6, 2016 at 4:48 pm
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by abaris - May 14, 2016 at 11:33 am
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by abaris - May 16, 2016 at 3:58 pm
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by Angrboda - May 9, 2016 at 11:49 am
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by drfuzzy - May 10, 2016 at 1:40 pm
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by GUBU - May 10, 2016 at 2:32 pm
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by robvalue - May 8, 2016 at 11:26 am
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by GUBU - May 9, 2016 at 1:37 pm
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by Brian37 - May 9, 2016 at 10:33 am
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by GUBU - May 9, 2016 at 1:43 pm
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by robvalue - May 10, 2016 at 8:10 am
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by TheRocketSurgeon - May 16, 2016 at 9:19 pm
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by abaris - May 16, 2016 at 5:54 pm
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by abaris - May 14, 2016 at 10:50 am
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by abaris - May 14, 2016 at 11:03 am
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by Polaris - May 16, 2016 at 9:18 pm
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by GUBU - May 16, 2016 at 11:47 pm
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by robvalue - May 17, 2016 at 4:00 am
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by GUBU - May 19, 2016 at 5:01 am
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by GUBU - May 20, 2016 at 4:00 am
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by Brian37 - May 18, 2016 at 12:50 pm
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by robvalue - May 19, 2016 at 7:11 am
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by GUBU - May 19, 2016 at 1:05 pm
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by Foxaèr - May 20, 2016 at 2:46 am
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by robvalue - May 20, 2016 at 2:51 am
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by robvalue - May 20, 2016 at 4:03 am
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by GUBU - May 20, 2016 at 8:16 am
RE: Why do Christians become Christians? - by drfuzzy - May 20, 2016 at 8:43 pm

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