RE: How to debate a Christian
August 16, 2010 at 11:01 am
(This post was last modified: August 16, 2010 at 11:12 am by RAD.)
(August 16, 2010 at 6:09 am)padraic Wrote: I'm very sorry Solja,, but that is such a profoundly ignorant thing to say that I'm having a hard time believing you're serious.
Just in case, a few broad examples just from Christianity:
Broad is right. What's mind boggling about these is that to be valid, they depend on Flew's NTS "fallacy" which he invented from thin air in the 70's. He invented it so atheists could stop making intelligent distinctions between people claiming to be Christians
Quote:The Crusades and constant massacre of innocents during each Crusade,beginning with a pogrom killing the local Jews
Doing the exact opposite of what Jesus and the apostles said to do with heretics. (Leave them alone)
Quote:Over 1000 years of vicious European anti Semitism which made the Nazi holocaust possible and arguably inevitable.
See above.
Quote:The massacre of the Cathars,which led to centuries of horror under the Inquistion.
See above
Quote:The murder of heretics by Catholics AND protestants.
You're repeating yourself
Quote:The suppression of science by the Church,from Galileo and Gordiano Bruno,to the current lunacy of new earth creationists and resistance to cell stem research. Religion ALWAYS rejects science which conflicts with dogma.
Make that "the Catholic church." Jefferson'r "three greatest men in the world of that era were Protestants and nobody was bothering them. (Newton, Bacon and Locke) It's amazing what you can't find out in this forum.
Quote:The protection and promotion of slavery in our society as 'the will of God' (justified by the Bible) until the C19th
Total nonsense, invented from whole cloth by "secular humanists." Wesley called it the "scourge of the earth" at the same time Voltaire was justifying it on economic grounds. Some Quakers first condemned it 50 years earlier. The abolitionists were all Protestants, mall "fundies." They were actually following Jesus' mission statement in Luke 4.
Quote:The gross evil of the Catholic Church and its institutional protection of pedophile priests.
Good, you put Catholic in there.
Quote:The attitude of the Catholic church to birth control, which results in great suffering in millions of people and countless needless deaths due to AIDS..
I agree except this is like saying we should let homosexuals who hate wearing condoms marry because they will get less AIDS. (The other issues aside)
Quote:-I won't even start on tax rorts or the obscenity of televangelists.
OK good, that way you won't continue pigeon-holing to the point of absurdity.
Quote:As I said, it's hard for me to believe your're serious.
I could say the same thing
Quote: I think you're a troll
Yeah trolling for a semblence of the whole truth probably
So the question is, if a "Christian" hasn't even read the NT or refuses to follow it, what does that have to do with whether Jesus should be followed, by you or me? Answer: nothing
Tell me, was Marx evil merely because his followers commited atrocities that make the Inquisitions look like a bump on the knee? And of course Marx doesn't seem to have worried much about Communists using violence against heretics like Jesus clearly did (And the apostles)
Ironically, all you have done is support Chesterton's and my claim that few have ever actually tried Christianity.
I don't know a single Christian who has a problem with stem cell research per se. They just want to know how and where the cells were aquired
But then you have to make only broad statements. Specifics would destroy your case and confuse the worshippers of Lord Self.
