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How to debate a Christian
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RE: How to debate a Christian
(August 19, 2010 at 3:12 pm)NoGodaloud ? Wrote: then i guess you have a better explanation for our existence. what is it ?
if you answer : i don't know, i can help you out.

No, you really can't. I don't believe things on faith. I don't believe something because I don't have an answer. I don't need an answer. I'm perfectly comfortable with saying I don't know because you know what? No one knows.

Science has a good idea how the universe, life, species, etc... came to be. Evolution is a fact. Big Bang is a fact. I don't have to take an extra step and imagine a creator god to accept those. Besides, for all the things science doesn't know, such as what existed before Planck time, (The time before the Big Bang) I'm not going to assume I know. I'm going to reserve judgement until there's actually evidence.

Quote:you have exactly more two options.

Wheter the universe has existed eternally, without a beginning, in some form, or it had a beginning with the Big bang, but without any cause. The Big Bang simply happended, out of absolutely nothing.

which one of the two do you prefere, and why ? and why do you prefere it over God as best explanation ?

No. The Big Bang theory did not simply "Happen out of nothing". That shows your supreme misunderstanding of what it actually is. The Big Bang was a singularity that expanded outward. To the best of science's knowledge, this was rather simple stuff that eventually expanded to create the universe. However, the important thing to note is that the Big Bang has nothing to say about what happened before the big bang. So you don't know that there was nothing.

Which is easier to believe? That this simple stuff always existed, or that a supreme creator caused the big bang billions of years ago and through billions of years of the universe forming, and then life evolving, he finally gets around to us and gives a shitty Bible and sends down his son as a blood sacrifice.

The former is far easier for me to believe. Especially when theists argue that God always had to existed, why not remove that extra unnecessary step and accept that maybe the universe always existed in one form or another?

Secondly, you have not given me any evidence with which to believe a God HAD to create the universe. All you did was construct one great big horribly worded argument from ignorance. You cannot imagine that the world got here without a god. You assert God did it because you cannot accept another way. Forgive me if I don't take your word for it.

I believe things on evidence. You cannot claim that what science doesn't know is God. It's a God of gaps argument, which I ain't buying. You actually have to meet a burden of proof before I will accept anything you say. Asking me "which sounds better" does not meet that burden.

Essentially, assertions are not proof, they are just that...assertions. I instead take the appropriately skeptical viewpoint and not accept your claim.
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." Benjamin Franklin

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How to debate a Christian - by dreamer2008 - August 13, 2010 at 8:03 am
RE: How to debate a Christian - by Zen Badger - August 13, 2010 at 8:30 am
RE: How to debate a Christian - by dreamer2008 - August 13, 2010 at 8:44 am
RE: How to debate a Christian - by LastPoet - August 13, 2010 at 8:50 am
RE: How to debate a Christian - by AnunZi - August 13, 2010 at 9:04 am
RE: How to debate a Christian - by Eilonnwy - August 13, 2010 at 9:46 am
RE: How to debate a Christian - by dreamer2008 - August 13, 2010 at 10:12 am
RE: How to debate a Christian - by RAD - August 15, 2010 at 2:24 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by The Omnissiunt One - August 15, 2010 at 5:09 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by LEDO - August 15, 2010 at 7:25 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by RAD - August 15, 2010 at 10:28 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by LEDO - August 16, 2010 at 6:40 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by Peter44 - August 13, 2010 at 10:06 am
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RE: How to debate a Christian - by padraic - August 13, 2010 at 8:19 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by superstarr - August 14, 2010 at 1:07 am
RE: How to debate a Christian - by dreamer2008 - August 14, 2010 at 7:48 am
RE: How to debate a Christian - by The Omnissiunt One - August 14, 2010 at 8:42 am
RE: How to debate a Christian - by padraic - August 14, 2010 at 8:31 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by Minimalist - August 14, 2010 at 8:36 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by LEDO - August 14, 2010 at 8:44 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by Gooders1002 - March 25, 2012 at 9:28 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by RAD - August 15, 2010 at 3:13 am
RE: How to debate a Christian - by Zen Badger - August 15, 2010 at 5:10 am
RE: How to debate a Christian - by dreamer2008 - August 15, 2010 at 6:25 am
RE: How to debate a Christian - by The Omnissiunt One - August 15, 2010 at 6:35 am
RE: How to debate a Christian - by LastPoet - August 15, 2010 at 1:47 pm
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RE: How to debate a Christian - by Minimalist - August 15, 2010 at 4:55 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by Minimalist - August 15, 2010 at 5:23 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by solja247 - August 15, 2010 at 7:43 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by dreamer2008 - August 16, 2010 at 2:28 am
RE: How to debate a Christian - by solja247 - August 16, 2010 at 5:02 am
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RE: How to debate a Christian - by RAD - August 16, 2010 at 11:01 am
RE: How to debate a Christian - by The Omnissiunt One - August 16, 2010 at 4:26 pm
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RE: How to debate a Christian - by padraic - August 16, 2010 at 8:56 pm
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RE: How to debate a Christian - by Edwardo Piet - August 17, 2010 at 5:30 am
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RE: How to debate a Christian - by Spencer - August 17, 2010 at 11:07 am
RE: How to debate a Christian - by dreamer2008 - August 17, 2010 at 1:09 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by The Omnissiunt One - August 17, 2010 at 2:41 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by Minimalist - August 17, 2010 at 1:35 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by Minimalist - August 17, 2010 at 3:43 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by dreamer2008 - August 17, 2010 at 3:54 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by Minimalist - August 17, 2010 at 4:20 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by solja247 - August 17, 2010 at 8:25 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by The Omnissiunt One - August 19, 2010 at 4:53 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by NoGodaloud ? - August 19, 2010 at 7:52 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by Eilonnwy - August 19, 2010 at 10:18 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by NoGodaloud ? - August 19, 2010 at 11:28 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by Minimalist - August 17, 2010 at 9:31 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by NoGodaloud ? - August 18, 2010 at 6:55 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by Paul the Human - August 18, 2010 at 7:07 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by NoGodaloud ? - August 18, 2010 at 7:21 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by Eilonnwy - August 18, 2010 at 7:29 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by NoGodaloud ? - August 19, 2010 at 3:12 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by Eilonnwy - August 19, 2010 at 9:33 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by NoGodaloud ? - August 19, 2010 at 10:14 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by Eilonnwy - August 19, 2010 at 10:50 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by NoGodaloud ? - August 20, 2010 at 12:31 am
RE: How to debate a Christian - by HeyItsZeus - August 20, 2010 at 2:23 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by Minimalist - August 19, 2010 at 3:52 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by NoGodaloud ? - August 19, 2010 at 4:23 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by Minimalist - August 19, 2010 at 4:48 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by LastPoet - August 19, 2010 at 9:37 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by NoGodaloud ? - August 19, 2010 at 10:36 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by LastPoet - August 19, 2010 at 11:48 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by NoGodaloud ? - August 20, 2010 at 9:17 am
RE: How to debate a Christian - by LastPoet - August 20, 2010 at 8:41 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by NoGodaloud ? - August 20, 2010 at 11:24 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by The Omnissiunt One - August 21, 2010 at 6:27 am
RE: How to debate a Christian - by ABierman1986 - August 19, 2010 at 9:43 pm
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RE: How to debate a Christian - by Eilonnwy - August 19, 2010 at 11:36 pm
RE: How to debate a Christian - by ABierman1986 - August 20, 2010 at 12:57 am
RE: How to debate a Christian - by solja247 - August 20, 2010 at 8:29 am
RE: How to debate a Christian - by Minimalist - August 20, 2010 at 11:56 am
RE: How to debate a Christian - by Tiberius - August 20, 2010 at 8:32 am
RE: How to debate a Christian - by Edwardo Piet - August 20, 2010 at 1:32 pm
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