(August 19, 2010 at 10:36 pm)NoGodaloud ? Wrote: I do it based on empirical experience, that nothing begins to exist without a cause. Otherwise, Ferraris would pop up into existence out of nothing, all the time, for example.
If Nothing exists without a cause, what caused god then? Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence, what empirical proof you have of this then?
Quote:If beyond the universe, there was no time, no space, no matter, then the cause of the universe must have been timeless, spaceless, transcendent, beginningless, very powerful, and personal, since this cause had to take a decision, to create the universe. This description fits best the God of the bible.
How do you know there was no time? Yet again, you are repeating yourself... What makes you conclude from timeless, etc, that that is a god, and more precisely, your god?
Quote:you can apply evolution only after the first life appeared on earth. You cannot apply it to explain the origin and finetuning of the universe, chemical evolution, and abiogenesis.
I already told you, there is evidence of abiogenesis, you have not yet given me any proof and testable means of mesuring this "fine tuning". (this is called argument from design)
Quote:“How many universes then would you need to make it at all probable that one of them could be like our universe? String theorists posit a number of 10 to the power of 500….Now that is an awful lot of universes, particularly since the estimate for the total number of atoms in the entire observable universe is no more than 10 to the power of 80.”
thats such a astonishingly small probability, so that based on Borel's law, we can confidently say, chance is a very bad explanation for the existence of our life permitting universe.
Those probabilities are wrong.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Probability-of-E...stial-Life
Quote:do you know me, to say, what i know, and what i don't, btw ?
Sorry, if that offends you, but you have shown you know nothing about Evolution or science
Quote:they had to be created in first place.
You still haven't answered my question, how is that fine tuning, and how does that conform to your definition of 'perfect' you gave your god below in your post?
Quote:If there were no platet jupiter, which attracts almost all asteroids, in fact it would have happened.
Jupiter has a great gravitational well, yes, but that does not mean asteroids and comets do not cross earth's Orbit, Example: comet swift-tuttle. See, this is why I say you now nothing about science, you simple make bare assertions to fit your delusion, and ignore evidence of the contrary.
Quote:Nope. exactly because it cannot be explained by natural means, it points to supernatural origin.
That is a blatant argument from ignorance: Just because you can't think of anything better or science cant explain yet, therefore god did it. Its a known logical fallacy.
Quote:God is the supreme being of the universe. God is a unbodied mind, He is righteous and just, love, good, free from sin, he is perfect in his character and person, he is righteous in all His attitudes and actions, he is eternal, without a beginning, and without a end, he is omniscient, omnipresent, limitless in authority, immutable, he is the truth. Moreover, God is self-existent, nonspatial, nonmaterial, unimaginably powerful, and personal.
Gods existence can be deduce through creation, through his word, the bible, and through personal experience.
You never read the bible did you? And on your last sentence, you deduce from something unproven(creation), base yourself on a old book of desert scribblings, and trough your wishfull thinking that there is a magical sky-daddy that cares about your sex life. Please man...
I am sorry If I soind condescending, but it is frustrating that you haven't used a single original argument, and all that you used are so over-debunked its not funny anymore. Can't you think for yourself? There are alot of christians around that do a better job in this matter.
