(January 18, 2017 at 9:55 am)Little Rik Wrote:(January 18, 2017 at 1:20 am)Astonished Wrote: Ah, of course, it's our fault that god's message is so ineptly disseminated that it can't reach us. Just like it's fucked up for us to do all the horrible things god does and yet condemns us for doing.
This is fundamentally why there is no possible way for faith and reason to coexist.
Why God's message should reach you?
You are the one who got to reach him not the other way around.
Suppose you like someone.
Do you expect that that someone should come to you without you having done nothing to conquer him or her first?
You never though of that Ast, did you?
And what about God doing horrible things?
Have you ever thought that people in previous lives did horrible things to other people so the karma law apply to them?
The jackassery is stomach-turning. Virtually every atheist has started out as a believer (against their will, in retrospect) and while the sincerity varied, they would all likely have begged in one form or another for such knowledge and relationships with their various deities du jour, and got not so much as a celestial fart in the face. Again, if there is a god that wants to communicate anything at all to any of us, he's doing the most inept imaginable job of it, and yet somehow believers want to take the blame for it and also cast it upon the rest of us (not unlike the dogshit sin concept, so they can reduce their own self-imposed guilt by spreading it to the rest of us who don't share that taint). Get a fucking clue.
Karma is also a horseshit, utterly immoral concept with no basis in practical reality nor in actually reinforcing a good moral framework, it's nothing more than a dressed-up carrot and stick enticement and threat shtick with a pleasant-sounding name that makes people forget about the heaven-hell dichotomy. Fuck karma in its left ear.
As for god being removed from the equation by karma, let me ask you this: If you're selected to execute someone (or in this case, you've chosen to be that person), do you feel any guilt whatsoever or none at all? If there is a god in charge of karma and it feels no guilt for being the arbiter of this insane system, that is an unworthy agent to be participating in it. And if it does feel guilt, the system would become unbalanced and cease to function properly because of the bias it would have to form as a result of that compounded guilt. None of your petty ideas have even an ankle to stand on.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.